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Old 03-21-10, 12:42 AM
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retractable leash owners suck

The next person who has thier dog on one of those retractable 40 foot leashes and thier dog cuts in front of me and they yell at me for going to fast on the BIKE path is getting beat with it. I freaking hate those things and the owners can never react fast enough to set the brake when the dog decides to run across my path.

I use the BIKE path to get to my rides around here and usually only go 12-15 because I dont want to completly kill someone not paying attetion, that said,many people go kamakazi on it so im usually the slow guy on the path. anyways, these owners yell at me for going to fast when I hit the fing leash. um, no not my fault. your forty foot leash is illegal in this town and you are an idiot. Please exit the gene pool and hand your membership card to the front desk.

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Surprisingly I haven't had any problems with dogs on the greenway. However I was going to grocery store today and there were so many greenway users out. I passed an older couple on their road bikes and just kept my steady pace. They decided to stay on my wheel, which is fine. There was one part where I had to slow down to walking pace behind some people because there was a runner coming up and then a cyclists, so they had the right of way. Anyways I slow down and the girl behind me decides to cut through the middle passing dangerously close to the pedestrians and the oncoming cyclist. Then she slows down to wait up for her partner and so I have to pass her again.

It was kind of frustrating as I could see the pedestrians cower away from her. I feel like its people like that that give cyclists a bad name.
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Over where I'm from... we have the Los Gatos Creek Trail.... Same conditions. Last Sunday I did about 30 miles on the thing and then went back an hour later and ran 6 more miles. It was my first time being there - I will never go back.

Too many people... When cycling the pedestrians in front and the runners coming towards were very careless in how they navigated the course. While running, the cyclists zooming past and the walkers, walking side-by-side coming towards were the worst. Rarely did they actually go to their right.

Even worse... the cyclists who were trying to be cautious and respectful for yelling out "Cyclist on your left", did so with such gusto and lack of distance - that it usually scared the **** out of me and once almost made me hop INTO their way since they were behind me and yelled it out before shifting to my actual left...

Screw that noize - I'm riding in the middle of nowhere like the good lord intended.
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Just let "Maverick" know about the beat down we were fixing to get. He took it hard!

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I yell coming up from behind. I've used an AirZound, which is highly effective, but in my experience overkill (IT WORKS, no doubt about it.) if somebody doesn't pull in their dog, People pull their dogs in. If they don't, just stop and tell them, This is a Multi-User Trail, Leash-in your dog, or I'm calling the police right now. You don't have the right to take up the entire pathway and block other people's passage."

Get used to slowing down and dealing with walkers and dog-walkers. Or just ride on the roads. Get a DiNotte taillight and make drivers see you and pass you with clearance.
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oh yeah, im used to it, I just hit 2 yesterday and both yelled at me despite my 5 warnings and slowing down to a crawl. it just gets me to my rides. but jeez I went down on one and the other I took the leash into the chain.

Im a dog owner and I still hate those things. I just assume have the dogs running free than on those, at least then I dont have to worry about the freaking leash part.
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Bike path or MUP?

I use a retractable, I never let it cross a path.
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I yell coming up from behind. I've used an AirZound, which is highly effective, but in my experience overkill (IT WORKS, no doubt about it.) if somebody doesn't pull in their dog, People pull their dogs in. If they don't, just stop and tell them, This is a Multi-User Trail, Leash-in your dog, or I'm calling the police right now. You don't have the right to take up the entire pathway and block other people's passage."

Get used to slowing down and dealing with walkers and dog-walkers. Or just ride on the roads. Get a DiNotte taillight and make drivers see you and pass you with clearance.
sounds like you have nice relaxing rides.
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Bike path or MUP?

I use a retractable, I never let it cross a path.

technicly, bike path, however its pretty much turned into a MUP. But all the literature and signs call it a bike path
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oh yeah, im used to it, I just hit 2 yesterday and both yelled at me despite my 5 warnings and slowing down to a crawl. it just gets me to my rides. but jeez I went down on one and the other I took the leash into the chain.

Im a dog owner and I still hate those things. I just assume have the dogs running free than on those, at least then I dont have to worry about the freaking leash part.
You are riding too fast for the conditions. Slow down passing people and pets as they are unpredictable (seems to be the lesson you missed). Hitting people or pets on a trail is not controlled or responsible riding no matter what the trail is called.
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didnt hit the dogs, hit the freaking lead when the dog suddely veared infront of me on a 10 foot lead.
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People on our MUP don't seem to understand that just because you're on a walk with your girlfriends and their pooches, doesn't mean you can take up the whole friggin' path.
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Somewhere, on a dog-lovers message board, people are *****ing about the 'Lance Armstrongs' running over their dogs, "it's a PARK, not a training facility!!!" There's a whole lot of entitlement going on from every angle, and while I agree with the sentiment that some people take up too much space, sometimes you've just gotta deal. An accident/near accident may wake up that owner, but there's always a new, oblivious owner waiting in the wings.
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there are a lot of MUP's around town that have designated "bike route" signs along them, i would never ride my road bike on them, period. leisurely 8 mph stroll with the wife on the single speed, sure, but never more speed than that.

"Paths" that many people use are dangerous to be on going fast, thats all there is to it. road bikes go on the road, not some pansy ass path.

dog owners should absolutely be responsible, but it doesnt happen 100% of the time and you will be at fault if you hit someone or something or some pooch as the faster moving vehicle. so get off the MUP if you want to go fast.
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+1 to the last posts from AngryScientist and WhyFi. In Cleveland they started building the bike paths in my area in the early 70's and it was a joy to ride them. No people yet. They twisted through the woods and it was like driving a sports car on a twisty mountain road. It was great. Then the people started showing up with everything from rollerblades to strollers. If you are going over 5 miles an hour you have no business being there. They have just as much right to be there as you do. Not everyone wants to enjoy the outdoors going 30 miles an hour. Ride the road or ride the MUP at 6am. We have enough people not liking us already.

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Talk to dog trainers and you'll hear that they dislike those retractable leashes as well. It teaches the dog to pull while on lead. Pull a bit, get some more leash. Most folks using these leads don't know crap about training dogs so it's not really shocking that they would rather blame you for sharing the path.
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I see dozens of dogs almost every day out there on the towpath around here. Some follow, some chase, some don't se eor hear you coming because they are preoccupied with the fish the canal, w/e... I try to choose my approaches as best as possible. Larger dogs off leashes I usually slow down slightly and ride by a usual pace. They usually never bother you as you're not scaring them or threatening to get too close to the owner. Little dogs, are more bothersome, but i try to pick a line and ride by fast enough that if the dog chases, that is his owners problem, not mine.

I should note, I never take my rode bike on the path and very rarely travel over 10mph. Only my Hybrid or Mountain bike gets to see the non paved or paved section of the towpath.

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Originally Posted by midgetmaestro View Post
People on our MUP don't seem to understand that just because you're on a walk with your girlfriends and their pooches, doesn't mean you can take up the whole friggin' path.
You know their not going to change so it's easier to just focus on the "M". They have a right to be there too.
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Talk to dog trainers and you'll hear that they dislike those retractable leashes as well. It teaches the dog to pull while on lead. Pull a bit, get some more leash. Most folks using these leads don't know crap about training dogs so it's not really shocking that they would rather blame you for sharing the path.
I think that it's fair to say that most dog owners don't know squat about training dogs, retractable leash or not.
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It doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong, you gotta ride for the conditions that are actually out there, not the ones that are supposed to be out there. Even if you have nothing better to do than get in confrontations with idiots, every time you try to do what you "should" be able to do, you put yourself at risk and will eventually crash.

Make peace with the morons -- even if you can set a few boneheads straight, you have no chance of influencing well over 99.9999% of the rest. You will encounter plenty wherever you go, so you may as well come to terms with it.
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Somewhere, on a dog-lovers message board, people are *****ing about the 'Lance Armstrongs' running over their dogs, "it's a PARK, not a training facility!!!" There's a whole lot of entitlement going on from every angle, and while I agree with the sentiment that some people take up too much space, sometimes you've just gotta deal. An accident/near accident may wake up that owner, but there's always a new, oblivious owner waiting in the wings.
+1.....get over yourself darb
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Recently on our MUP, a friend and I were riding along during the late hours probably right around 7. There weren't that many people but there were a few dog walking couples and singles as well. Just about all of them, except for the guys with huge dogs, had them on those retractable leashes.

Well some lady was walking with her friend taking up almost the entire path. we came up at about 10 mph and passed on the outside of the opposite lane but here little dog took off and ran under his back tire as we were passing, technically we were already ahead and trying to move back over to our side. Hurt his leg or something and this woman went NUCLEAR! over her stupid little dog getting hurt because he ran under a tire.

How this would have never happened if we would grow up and stop riding bicycles like 12 year olds. How we should stay off the roads blah blah blah. We just let her vent, while smiling, and when she was done she asked for our information. We told her to have a nice day and be sure to tell the police it was two guys college age on black bikes in black bicycling cloths. GOOD LUCK finding us.

I didn't bother telling her that if she hadn't taken up the whole lane we would have passed sooner and farther away, and perhaps even at a high speed not allowing the dog to catch up to us in the first place, or that if he dog didn't get 10 feet of running room off the leash the whole thing could have been avoided as well. Just another grateful American with her head up her wazoo. It was funny seeing her so mad over a little dog though.
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It's still a dog man. I'm not a fan of the little ones either, but it is not their fault, their owners are morons. You should have still slowed down and if you had to say, EXCUSE ME. I would not have given her my info either, but more than likely, it would not have happened knowing there was a stupid dog owner with a little mutt right next to you.

I will say though. Our towpath goes East-West and if you ride into the sun either way it can be brutally difficult to see with sunglasses even going 5mph. Other humans should recognize that taking up the whole space is going to result in danger for them, their dog, and whoever is riding/walking/running by.
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Originally Posted by darb85 View Post
oh yeah, im used to it, I just hit 2 yesterday and both yelled at me despite my 5 warnings and slowing down to a crawl. it just gets me to my rides. but jeez I went down on one and the other I took the leash into the chain.

Im a dog owner and I still hate those things. I just assume have the dogs running free than on those, at least then I dont have to worry about the freaking leash part.
I do sort of agree that I would rather see the dog running free than on a thin 40 ft tripline just waiting to hurt or catch something.
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