Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Plastic gaurd on the back wheel question.

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Plastic gaurd on the back wheel question.

Old 03-31-10, 05:35 AM
  #1  
Mrtrex
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Plastic gaurd on the back wheel question.

I just got my first road bike canadale caad9-5. There is a clear plastic plate on the back wheel it looks like it protects the gears in the rear. Is it supposed to slide around or even be there? When I ride and look back it always looks lop sided. I can also slide it around. It has little tabs that just slide on the spokes but from what it looks like all the tabs cant be on all the spokes at the same time. Is this how its supposed to be? Sorry such a newb question.
Mrtrex is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 05:42 AM
  #2  
AngryScientist 
Lost
 
AngryScientist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: nutley, nj
Posts: 4,600
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked 113 Times in 45 Posts
commonly referred to as the "dork disc" - its function is to protect your rear spokes from interference with an improperly adjusted rear deraiuller. no realy use for a properly adjusted and functioning drivetrain.

remove it immediately. pull all of the reflectors off while you're at it.
AngryScientist is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 05:45 AM
  #3  
FlashBazbo
Chases Dogs for Sport
 
FlashBazbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,288
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 983 Post(s)
Liked 141 Times in 94 Posts
It's to protect the spokes in the event the rear derailleur is badly out of adjustment and shifts into the spokes. It is largely considered to be unnecessary. BFers will ridicule people who keep theirs.

OTOH, if it were made of carbon fiber instead of plastic and stamped with a "Zipp" logo, BFers would call them aero and line up around the block trying to buy one!

(Just kidding about that last part.)
FlashBazbo is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:07 AM
  #4  
DXchulo
Upgrading my engine
 
DXchulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alamogordo
Posts: 6,218
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 125 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yep, get rid of the dork disk. The easiest way to do it is to remove your cassette and it will slide right off.
DXchulo is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:09 AM
  #5  
midgetmaestro 
Senior Member
 
midgetmaestro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 3,362

Bikes: Cervelo Soloist

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AngryScientist
commonly referred to as the "dork disc" - its function is to protect your rear spokes from interference with an improperly adjusted rear deraiuller. no realy use for a properly adjusted and functioning drivetrain.

remove it immediately. pull all of the reflectors off while you're at it.
+1
__________________
SocialCyclists Forum
midgetmaestro is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:21 AM
  #6  
jdon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 343 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 9 Posts
It keeps the chain from jamming between the spokes and cassette should the limits of the RD not be set correctly or you manage to bend a deraileur hanger. A jammed chain may cause a fall.

Removal of it is personal choice but like side reflectors, they are required to be present when delivered new by some states, cities, countries laws.

They are made as a generic item so wont fit all spoke counts and patterns.

If you want to remove it, just cut the tabs and disk with side cutters. Don't cut the spoke!

Last edited by jdon; 03-31-10 at 06:26 AM.
jdon is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:30 AM
  #7  
Mrtrex
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Is it supposed to move around though? When I spin the wheel it looks lop sided cause it slides to one side. I can cut it off with tin snips there is plenty of room. Just want to know if it's suposed to move aroung freely
Mrtrex is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:35 AM
  #8  
mzeffex 
Senior Member
 
mzeffex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,458

Bikes: Something Canadian, something Italian, something American, and something German

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 64 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Not really, no, but most of them do that.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Are they talking about spectators feeding the cyclists? You know, like don't feed the bears?
mzeffex is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:40 AM
  #9  
RobertFrapples
all-weather commuter
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 315
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DXchulo
The easiest way to do it is to remove your cassette and it will slide right off.
I have found the easiest way to remove it is to break it with vice grips. No need to remove the wheel from the bike.
RobertFrapples is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 06:49 AM
  #10  
jdon
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 343 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by mzeffex
Not really, no, but most of them do that.
This.
jdon is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:06 AM
  #11  
Myrkur
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 23
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just don't burn it.
Myrkur is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:07 AM
  #12  
probe1957
Full Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Central IL
Posts: 437

Bikes: 2020 Scott Speedster 10 Disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 52 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 27 Posts
Leave it. It serves a purpose.
probe1957 is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:09 AM
  #13  
coasting 
Still can't climb
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Limey in Taiwan
Posts: 23,024
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 6 Posts
why remove it. does it bother you?

i wish i still had mine.
__________________
coasting, few quotes are worthy of him, and of those, even fewer printable in a family forum......quote 3alarmer

No @coasting, you should stay 100% as you are right now, don't change a thing....quote Heathpack
coasting is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:11 AM
  #14  
hammond9705
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: DFW
Posts: 1,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked 597 Times in 105 Posts
Originally Posted by RobertFrapples
I have found the easiest way to remove it is to break it with vice grips. No need to remove the wheel from the bike.
A wise man on this site once said that if you don't know the right way to remove it you should probably just leave it on

It's about a 5 min job to do it the right way
hammond9705 is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:19 AM
  #15  
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,238

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1407 Post(s)
Liked 634 Times in 334 Posts
Originally Posted by AngryScientist
commonly referred to as the "dork disc" - its function is to protect your rear spokes from interference with an improperly adjusted rear deraiuller. no realy use for a properly adjusted and functioning drivetrain.

remove it immediately. pull all of the reflectors off while you're at it.
Originally Posted by RobertFrapples
I have found the easiest way to remove it is to break it with vice grips. No need to remove the wheel from the bike.
Originally Posted by hammond9705
A wise man on this site once said that if you don't know the right way to remove it you should probably just leave it on

It's about a 5 min job to do it the right way
Exactly. A necessary, but not sufficient condition for safely removing a dork disc is to know how to do it.

If you don't even know what it is, or what it's for, you want to leave it there, until you've learned a bit about tuning your bike.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:23 AM
  #16  
RacerOne
Hills hurt.. Couches kill
 
RacerOne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Brazil, IN
Posts: 3,370

Bikes: 1991 Specialized Sirrus Triple, 2010 Trek Madone 6.5 Project One, 2012 Cannondale Caad10, 2013 Trek Crockett

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Exactly. A necessary, but not sufficient condition for safely removing a dork disc is to know how to do it.

If you don't even know what it is, or what it's for, you want to leave it there, until you've learned a bit about tuning your bike.
+1
RacerOne is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:28 AM
  #17  
echappist
fuggitivo solitario
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 9,107
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 243 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by hammond9705
A wise man on this site once said that if you don't know the right way to remove it you should probably just leave it on

It's about a 5 min job to do it the right way
let's make that two minutes.

OP, i caught quite a bit of flak for having one of these things, but i didn't pull it off until i was sure i knew how to adjust my RD. mostly, you just want to set your RD low limit screw right, so that when you down shift, your RD doesn't shove the chain into the spokes.

also, you don't need to mess around with the low limit screw that much once it's set. i say check it once every 1000-1500 miles or so.
echappist is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:31 AM
  #18  
rollin
Sua Ku
 
rollin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hot as hell, Singapore
Posts: 5,705

Bikes: Trek 5200, BMC SLC01, BMC SSX, Specialized FSR, Holdsworth Criterium

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Exactly. A necessary, but not sufficient condition for safely removing a dork disc is to know how to do it.

If you don't even know what it is, or what it's for, you want to leave it there, until you've learned a bit about tuning your bike.
Translation:

"You need a dork disc until you stop being a dork"

Hey we've all been dorks so don't sweat it
rollin is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 07:35 AM
  #19  
DScott
It's ALL base...
 
DScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,716
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Just a small technical point: the chain isn't pulled into the spokes if the RD isn't adjusted correctly, the lower cage of the derailleur will be. If/when that happens, the derailleur (including the chain) tends to get wrapped around the axle.

Kinda like certain posters here at different times, as a matter of fact.

I say take this opportunity to learn how to adjust the RD correctly. Park Tool has great instructions on how to do that: https://www.parktool.com/repair/byreg...mageField2.y=2
DScott is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 08:01 AM
  #20  
ScrubJ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vero Beach FL
Posts: 1,102
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FlashBazbo
It's to protect the spokes in the event the rear derailleur is badly out of adjustment and shifts into the spokes. It is largely considered to be unnecessary. BFers will ridicule people who keep theirs.

OTOH, if it were made of carbon fiber instead of plastic and stamped with a "Zipp" logo, BFers would call them aero and line up around the block trying to buy one!

(Just kidding about that last part.)
Best answer so far
ScrubJ is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 08:38 AM
  #21  
dcvelo
Pretend Racer
 
dcvelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern Neck
Posts: 1,281
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Myrkur
Just don't burn it.
I'd forgotten that classic....
dcvelo is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 08:47 AM
  #22  
Homebrew01
Super Moderator
 
Homebrew01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ffld Cnty Connecticut
Posts: 21,803

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1160 Post(s)
Liked 840 Times in 558 Posts
Originally Posted by coasting
why remove it. does it bother you?

i wish i still had mine.
I'm sure your LBS has some free ones in a box out back.

Or you can get one from this former "dummy":
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...stuff-for-sale
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 02:45 PM
  #23  
Paul Y.
Senior Member
 
Paul Y.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: kennett sq. pa
Posts: 912

Bikes: 2008 Lynskey R220 2005 Lemond

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's alot of unnecessary weight.
Paul Y. is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 03:46 PM
  #24  
adclark
What's a bike?
 
adclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 611

Bikes: Bianchi Veloce

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I left mine alone until it cracked, mainly because it was apparently put in before the wheel was tensioned, so it was physically impossible to remove without simply breaking it off. Once it cracked though, it started to rub every wheel revolution, so I took off the cassette and broke it into pieces until it came off. That being said though, when I built myself a new wheel, I didn't put one on.
adclark is offline  
Old 03-31-10, 03:46 PM
  #25  
shelleyspins
runs with scissors
 
shelleyspins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Marin
Posts: 258

Bikes: 2012 Ridley Helium, '07 Cervelo Soloist Team Ed, 1993 Klein Stage Comp

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Exactly. A necessary, but not sufficient condition for safely removing a dork disc is to know how to do it.

If you don't even know what it is, or what it's for, you want to leave it there, until you've learned a bit about tuning your bike.
+2 (but in the mean time you might want to get started on those reflectors...and the warning stickers while you're at it)
shelleyspins is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.