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Old 04-13-10, 10:03 AM
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On a typical day, I see well over 1000 cars. It's extremely rare for any of them to do anything vaguely resembling hostility, but yesterday I had a bizarre encounter that caused quite a scene.

The thing that set the motorist off was a maneuver I made in town one of those idiotic intersections that only Oregonians can design where no two directions have the same rules, bike lanes go on the side plus through the middle, etc. The motorist claimed I made an illegal move and hunted me down on the highway to inform me of my mistake.

During the encounter, I told him I apologized if I didn't give him enough space, but that I still didn't think I violated the law. Motorists give me legal advice regarding my riding about once every 18 months, and to date none of it has been accurate (about 80% of the time, they think I belong on the sidewalk). Nonetheless, I promised to verify the correct procedure for cyclists needing to use the sequence of roads that I needed.

Son of a gun, he was right about one thing. You cannot turn right from the bike lane that is on the left side of the traffic lane which is forced to turn right even if you intend to turn left in 20 feet. However, I'm not required to use the crosswalk as he claimed.

So now I'll do things the right way. If only the motorists could be so conscientious about correcting each others' infractions, just think how nice the roads would be...
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Sorry man. Shake it off.
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The driver input I receive never gets more detailed than "Get off the road!"
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
The driver input I receive never gets more detailed than "Get off the road!"
If you spend enough time out, you'll eventually get more detailed input. Three times in my life (including this time), I've had motorists pull me over.

They can be strangely rational all things considered. For example, the last time this happened (4 yrs ago) a woman tried to tell me it was illegal for me to ride on the highway. When she was not persuaded by my assurances that it was, I asked her how seriously she took driving advice offered by complete strangers on the roads because I probably felt the same about cycling advice. She thought this was a good point, cooled off, and we parted on decent terms.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
The driver input I receive never gets more detailed than "Get off the road!"
At least you get words. I usually only get gestures.
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Originally Posted by Namenda
At least you get words. I usually only get gestures.
I tend to get this and something that seems to start with ass (insert wind sound).................. ho...... Never really get that last part. Most times the driver either has a phone in his hand or a burger.
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This is why I've invented and will soon begin marketing a giant bottle of pepper spray disguised as a water bottle. It shoots 30 feet and will incapacitate a large dog, small bear and giant D-Bag like the guy who pulled you over. Best of all, it looks exactly like a water bottle and fits perfectly in a water bottle holder. A rider can simply say "excuse me, I'm really thirsty" and let loose with a stream of "liquid fire"TM (100% organic and non-toxic).

The beauty is once he gets hit with the spray, you will be long gone before he regains vision/ability to identify you. You will be home, enjoying a recovery shake, nice hot shower and maybe a cold beverage of your choice. Shoot me a PM and I'll send you a complimentary bottle (available in matte black, white, Viper Red and Celeste Blue). Maybe you'll run into this guy again and continue your conversation.

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Originally Posted by banerjek
On a typical day, I see well over 1000 cars. It's extremely rare for any of them to do anything vaguely resembling hostility, but yesterday I had a bizarre encounter that caused quite a scene.

The thing that set the motorist off was a maneuver I made in town one of those idiotic intersections that only Oregonians can design where no two directions have the same rules, bike lanes go on the side plus through the middle, etc. The motorist claimed I made an illegal move and hunted me down on the highway to inform me of my mistake.

During the encounter, I told him I apologized if I didn't give him enough space, but that I still didn't think I violated the law. Motorists give me legal advice regarding my riding about once every 18 months, and to date none of it has been accurate (about 80% of the time, they think I belong on the sidewalk). Nonetheless, I promised to verify the correct procedure for cyclists needing to use the sequence of roads that I needed.

Son of a gun, he was right about one thing. You cannot turn right from the bike lane that is on the left side of the traffic lane which is forced to turn right even if you intend to turn left in 20 feet. However, I'm not required to use the crosswalk as he claimed.

So now I'll do things the right way. If only the motorists could be so conscientious about correcting each others' infractions, just think how nice the roads would be...
huh? why is the bike lane on the left side of the traffic lane and then being forced to turn across the traffic lane? or is the traffic lane a right turn only lane?
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Originally Posted by snowman40
huh? why is the bike lane on the left side of the traffic lane and then being forced to turn across the traffic lane? or is the traffic lane a right turn only lane?
Traffic lane must turn right but is not required to stop. Bike lane on left of traffic lane can only go straight after stopping and continues going against a one way road on the other side of the intersection.

Frankly, the whole intersection would be much better if it had no bike lanes because then you'd just move with the cars.
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So this morning, I get cycling advice from a cop of all people. I was riding down a residential street with one lane each way and a double yellow line, and he comes up behind me and passes me safely. Just a few blocks later he is stopped at a red light and as I come up behind him he waves me to come up to his passenger side window. So I do, and he tells me that part of the deal with the new 3 feet passing rule (I live in Austin) is that when cars are passing me I have to move over further to the right to give them room. So I say OK, sure, no problem, and then he asks whether cars are behaving differently after the new rule. I lie and say it seems a little better (I have not noticed any difference whatsoever).

I usually try to give cars space on one lane only roads, but the pavement on this road is not so great and it is even worse closer to the curb, so I stay more in the middle. It's a tradeoff.
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Originally Posted by nutt
So this morning, I get cycling advice from a cop of all people. I was riding down a residential street with one lane each way and a double yellow line, and he comes up behind me and passes me safely. Just a few blocks later he is stopped at a red light and as I come up behind him he waves me to come up to his passenger side window. So I do, and he tells me that part of the deal with the new 3 feet passing rule (I live in Austin) is that when cars are passing me I have to move over further to the right to give them room. So I say OK, sure, no problem, and then he asks whether cars are behaving differently after the new rule. I lie and say it seems a little better (I have not noticed any difference whatsoever).

I usually try to give cars space on one lane only roads, but the pavement on this road is not so great and it is even worse closer to the curb, so I stay more in the middle. It's a tradeoff.
Why would you lie? Nothing gets fixed if he thinks everything is fine and dandy. If they still aren't giving you room he might be more prone to look for this if you told him the truth.
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Originally Posted by nutt
So this morning, I get cycling advice from a cop of all people. I was riding down a residential street with one lane each way and a double yellow line, and he comes up behind me and passes me safely. Just a few blocks later he is stopped at a red light and as I come up behind him he waves me to come up to his passenger side window. So I do, and he tells me that part of the deal with the new 3 feet passing rule (I live in Austin) is that when cars are passing me I have to move over further to the right to give them room. So I say OK, sure, no problem, and then he asks whether cars are behaving differently after the new rule. I lie and say it seems a little better (I have not noticed any difference whatsoever).

I usually try to give cars space on one lane only roads, but the pavement on this road is not so great and it is even worse closer to the curb, so I stay more in the middle. It's a tradeoff.
The cop is wrong on this. This has already been tried in court and a judge ruled that the law doesnt effect the way in which a cyclist operates thier vehicle ,it only applies to the way in which a motorist may pass a cyclist. I wish I could find that thread. But anyhow some cyclist was ticketed for being to close to the car when it passed and the cop tried to revers the responsibility on the cyclist and the judge ruled it was improper and threw it out, and at the same time clarified the law.
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So what do you do in that case? Take the lane to turn right, then left? Which probably pisses off the driver even more.
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Luckily nobody got hurt this time

I still have a bit of stiffness in my shoulders from my last encounter with a car around 3 weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
If you spend enough time out, you'll eventually get more detailed input.
I spend plenty of time out there.
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I LOVE drivers giving me advice on cycling. Hmm, I bet they'd love having cyclists give them driving tips I find it very, very amusing when drivers try to tell me how to ride.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Traffic lane must turn right but is not required to stop. Bike lane on left of traffic lane can only go straight after stopping and continues going against a one way road on the other side of the intersection.
I'm trying to picture this but it makes my head hurt. Got a Google Maps link?

Back when I lived in Portland, I had someone yell at me from a truck that I needed to be going at least 25 mph to be on the road. Now, this is obviously BS, but what really annoyed me is that I was actually going 22 mph at the time (it was a slight downhill and I was hauling ass). I thought he could've cut me some slack.
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He just wanted to make sure you didn't right hook him in the future!
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I'm trying to picture this but it makes my head hurt. Got a Google Maps link?
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He just wanted to make sure you didn't right hook him in the future!
This. glad it worked out ok though.
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i had one guy in a car claiming that he did not come too close even though he missed my pedal by no more than about 6 inches. his claim was that when he rides his bike, he get touched by cars often. actual physical contact made by a car on a cyclist is the norm according to him. i don't think input from lying stinking drivers should be taken too seriously.
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I come up 9th, and need to get on 99W. During rush hour, traffic is frequently backed up on Connifer all around on 9th all the way off the screen so the cars can't even move. 99W is busy in both directions.

The guy I annoyed was just a little behind the black car turning onto Connifer (basically sitting on the arrow). The line of cars was solid around the corner. A steady line of cars from Connifer was headed west and turning left onto 9th. Although you can see a truck and a car north of Connifer, something strange was happening when this photo was taken -- they are facing the wrong way on a one way section.

I was in the bike lane to the left of the right turn lane, partly because of what I intended to do, but also because cars were sticking out of the driveways into the bike lane trying to pull out.
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If I ever rode in a place that had bike lanes I might not even know how to use them.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
The driver input I receive never gets more detailed than "Get off the road!"
Oh come on Brian.
It's usually"ya all get off the f'n road in Tenn..
In Ohio it's"get the f off the road"(although things are rapidly improving up here).Most likely because we have 1/2 the population we used to.
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Back when I lived in Portland, I had someone yell at me from a truck that I needed to be going at least 25 mph to be on the road. Now, this is obviously BS, but what really annoyed me is that I was actually going 22 mph at the time (it was a slight downhill and I was hauling ass). I thought he could've cut me some slack.
Your truck driving friend would probably enjoy a busy 2 lane highway when farm machinery is on the move. Those rigs don't go 25mph. I overtake those all the time during certain times of year while the drivers are trapped behind because the volume of oncoming traffic doesn't give them a chance to pass.
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