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Ok so I'll be building myself a wheelset soon and am looking for opinions. I'm looking to build a sub-1500g 32h rear/ 28h front wheelset using DT Swiss RR1415 rims and DT Swiss Aerospeed spokes. This wheelset with the 240s hubs comes out to about 1498.56 grams with my calculations based on DT Swiss's listed weights. I know the Chris King hubs are heavier but if they are worth the extra weight I wouldn't mind. Which hubs would you guys go with? Thanks, Greg

Fred Smedley

King hubs definitely, IMO spokes, nipples, tires, tubes are much more important to worry about weight.

AEO

DT hubs. because they're light, not that bad in terms of durability and they don't sound like a bunch of angry bees when coasting.

g.r.e.g.

yeah that's pretty annoying but I was looking on their site and it said they were super easy to maintain with just normal tools while the dt swiss hubs use proprietary tools or something? I don't know specifically but was just looking to see in terms of quality and performance which ones you guys liked best. leaning towards the dt swiss... plus they're 30 bucks cheaper haha

AEO

well, you get to choose 3 out of 4.

aerodynamics
light weight
price
durability

g.r.e.g.

light weight, price, and durability. at 6' 215 i'm not a small dude so im not exactly the most aerodynamic to begin with haha

umd

I have a 240S on my rear race wheel. It's been great so far.

DRietz

I would say go for the CK hubs, but we're talking about road bikes. DT Swiss hubs are good quality, as is all of their stuff, so go with them for weight and price. Probably pretty durable, I only had their wheelset for a brief period.

On the other hand, a CK hub on a single speed titanium mountain bike...I get all sweaty and drooly just thinking about it.

g.r.e.g.

Haha yeah I was talking to my friend who's a good mechanic and wheelbuilder and that's what he recommended. DT for road and CK for mountian.

echappist

haha, i actually love it. does anyone know how other hubs (say shimano) dissipate the sound energy generated when coasting?

topflightpro

Both hubs are top notch, and you can't go wrong with either. There is definitely more bling factor to the King hubs - will you be pairing them with a King headset. If so, you have to get the King hubs - it should be a rule.

I'm curious though, why are you going with a 28 and 32 spoke build. That's pretty beefy if you are trying to build a lightweight wheelset.

Also, Sapim CX-Ray spokes will be cheaper and just as light/durable as the DT aerospokes. And Kinlin rims will be just as light, maybe even lighter, and cost less than DT rims.

AEO

shimano has a silent clutch mechanism.
that's why even DA is a bit heavy.

calamarichris

Sorry for the brief, temporary derailment, but this brings up an interesting question: who makes the quietest rear ticker?

BikeWise1

+1. CK is massive overkill for road.

kimconyc

I have a spare rear wheel with a DA7800 hub (tall splines) and it's almost completely silent when coasting. I also have some wheels with DT Swiss 240s and they are pretty quiet as well compared to Mavic or Dura Ace 7850 hubs but louder than the DA 7800's.

BikeWise1

DA doesn't use the Silent Clutch...

....but most Shimano hubs are quiet.

kimconyc

You won't be able to go sub 1500g with the parts you listed, especially if you use CK hubs. DT Swiss 240s are also not known to be the lightest hubs out there for the price (you might be able to go sub 1500g if you use a lighter front hub and different rims).

I have some DT Swiss 240s laced to Open Pros (5g+/- more than RR415 rims) /w Sapim CX-Ray spokes (28 radial front, 2x 32 rear) and the set comes out to exactly 1520g on a jeweler's scale, that's without rim tape, which adds around 30g.

edit: I used to have the above wheels laced to DT Swiss RR1.1 rims (which are the same as RR415 if I am not mistaken) and the actual weights are 10g+/- more than the claimed 415g.

kleinboogie

I have a 240s 20h front hub on my training wheel (DT RR1.2 rim, DT Aerolite spokes), no problems so far.

g.r.e.g.

Because I'm not a small dude and if I can build a 28/32h wheelset that still comes to about 1500g I'd rather have that than a lower spoke count wheel that won't be as strong and only like 50g lighter. And kimconyc 1520g is close enough to 1500g for me haha and the RR1.1s are like 10g lighter than open pros so it should all even out to be right around there

kimconyc

Real WW's care about each gram and real-world weight, not claimed weight; I didn't know if you cared about each gram or not.

If you don't really care about each gram, I'd look into getting Kinlin XR-300's because they will be much stiffer than the RR415 rims.

nutt

I know you really mean RR415, but you should probably consider the RR465 at least for the rear wheel. The only difference is that the 465 has double eyelet on the rim holes which should be more reliable long term. I have read several reviews online of people with RR1.1/RR415 that complained about the rim cracking at the hole due to the single eyelet. A small note, the old RR1.1 rim was confusing because it came in both single and double eyelet versions, but the new naming is that the RR415 and RR465 are the same as the old RR1.1 single and double eyelet versions.

I have the CK hubs with RR1.1 rims, 32h 2x both front and back, and have never put them on the scale but they have been very solid. My vote is for the CK hubs but I like the sound. I think it is a good safety feature to loudly announce your presence to the pedestrians/joggers that got lost on their way to the sidewalk and are hogging the bike lane.

pedalhard

You will not notice any difference between them haha .

4cmd3

Pretty sure that video is the CK mountain hub, and the CK road hub is different (apparently the noise is not as pronounced).
Just saying if you're put off by that video...

g.r.e.g.

I work for a shop and we don't have access to kinlin rims

tubescreamerx

Here's a review of many boutique hubs that includes the Chris King R45 (newer than Classic) and DT Swiss 240S: https://fairwheelbikes.com/forum/view...hp?f=65&t=6940

The R45 design has been modified from the Classic so that it is not so noisy.