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What's the Difference in wheelsets?

Old 04-20-10, 05:44 PM
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What's the Difference in wheelsets?

What's the basic difference in wheelsets? Meaning what is the purpose of those big rims like in a 808 zipp and a smaller rim around an Easton 90l? For the price why is it that you can get lighter wheelsets when a zipp would cost you twice as much yet have a little more weight i.e. 1530 grams vs. 1700 something grams/? I thought lighter was better.

Lastly i was wondering what type of new wheelset i should get on my stock new specialized tarmac elite. (has mavic 22's on it) I mean i wanna go FAST! it seems as though my wheels are heavy and i suck at going uphills. I'd like to get a pair of spinergry stealth pbo. Would that be a worthy upgrade or would somethng else be faster?
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if you want to go fast, especially on the uphills, upgrade your engine. otherwise aero trumps weight
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Originally Posted by kfish311 View Post
What's the basic difference in wheelsets? Meaning what is the purpose of those big rims like in a 808 zipp and a smaller rim around an Easton 90l? For the price why is it that you can get lighter wheelsets when a zipp would cost you twice as much yet have a little more weight i.e. 1530 grams vs. 1700 something grams/? I thought lighter was better.

Lastly i was wondering what type of new wheelset i should get on my stock new specialized tarmac elite. (has mavic 22's on it) I mean i wanna go FAST! it seems as though my wheels are heavy and i suck at going uphills. I'd like to get a pair of spinergry stealth pbo. Would that be a worthy upgrade or would somethng else be faster?
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Aero for speed, weightless for climbing. Get yourself a good compromise Mavic Open Pro on Ultegra combination for everyday riding/training. The Obermayers can come later...
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What's the basic difference in wheelsets? Meaning what is the purpose of those big rims like in a 808 zipp and a smaller rim around an Easton 90l? For the price why is it that you can get lighter wheelsets when a zipp would cost you twice as much yet have a little more weight i.e. 1530 grams vs. 1700 something grams/? I thought lighter was better.

Lastly i was wondering what type of new wheelset i should get on my stock new specialized tarmac elite. (has mavic 22's on it) I mean i wanna go FAST! it seems as though my wheels are heavy and i suck at going uphills. I'd like to get a pair of spinergry stealth pbo. Would that be a worthy upgrade or would somethng else be faster?
The difference one word STATUS, go for light dependable HAND built.
 
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? what do you mean
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is the rims with the big names on them (like an 808 zipp) just for looks then?
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Ride what you have for 6 months.. it will all become more clear with time.
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? what do you mean
I mean unless you race[and are paid to] or already are a very fast rider with alot of money to spend the only thing you get from deep dish wheels is status[you had $$$ for wheels] for riders in the real world not the I think I am a pro dream world a good set of hand bulit wheels is all you need and they will stay true and last forever and cost much less.
 
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you must ride poo for months before you truly understand the carbon grasshopper....................
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big wheels are money. cash money. now you heard.
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Originally Posted by kfish311 View Post
is the rims with the big names on them (like an 808 zipp) just for looks then?
They're for TT type riding. Flats, no cross wind. Aero trumps weight (as was said) until the road turns UP. When climbing, weight trumps aero, every time.

Just get a good solid set of handbuilt wheels and work on improving YOU, the engine.
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Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
They're for TT type riding. Flats, no cross wind. Aero trumps weight (as was said) until the road turns UP. When climbing, weight trumps aero, every time.

Just get a good solid set of handbuilt wheels and work on improving YOU, the engine.
ah I see , thanks. And yes I do need to learn to ride first , i just want a good dependable tire that will be lightweight and help me up hills
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Originally Posted by rufvelo View Post
Aero for speed, weightless for climbing. Get yourself a good compromise Mavic Open Pro on Ultegra combination for everyday riding/training. The Obermayers can come later...
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ah I see , thanks. And yes I do need to learn to ride first , i just want a good dependable tire that will be lightweight and help me up hills
I think you mean wheel but you can do alot worse than to hold onto your $ and ride what you got for awhile. After that I agree with the handbuilt route though I'm currently riding Ksyriums and find them very satisfactory.
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ah I see , thanks. And yes I do need to learn to ride first , i just want a good dependable tire that will be lightweight and help me up hills
I think you mean wheel but you can do alot worse than to hold onto your $ and ride what you got for awhile. After that I agree with the handbuilt route though I'm currently riding Ksyriums and find them very satisfactory.
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Originally Posted by pedalhard View Post
I mean unless you race[and are paid to] or already are a very fast rider with alot of money to spend the only thing you get from deep dish wheels is status[you had $$$ for wheels] for riders in the real world not the I think I am a pro dream world a good set of hand bulit wheels is all you need and they will stay true and last forever and cost much less.
You don't have to be a pro racer to like faster wheels.

Actually, I don't even think you have to be a racer to like them.
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yes wheels
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yes wheels
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Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
They're for TT type riding. Flats, no cross wind. Aero trumps weight (as was said) until the road turns UP. When climbing, weight trumps aero, every time.

Just get a good solid set of handbuilt wheels and work on improving YOU, the engine.
I will be upgrading my wheelset soon so on rides I've been looking at people's wheels. It's been stupid windy here and we have routes that are surprisingly hilly for a city on the edge of the Great Plains. I can't say I've learned much in my wheel-quest but it didn't take me long to see that Zipp 808s = sail. And we're not on a boat.
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Originally Posted by kfish311 View Post
I'd like to get a pair of spinergry stealth pbo. Would that be a worthy upgrade
Don't buy upgrades

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or would somethng else be faster?
Ride up grades.
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Just ride what you have for now. Get a feel for what you like and don't like about the stock wheels so you have an idea of what aspects would appeal to you in an upgrade.

Then come here and read all the wheel threads. They are mostly filled with moronic attempts at curt humour, rudeness and misinformation, but there are a few people who will share their experiences and knowledge and eventually you can come away with some idea of what wheels are popular for what applications. From there you can research specific wheelsets on your own.
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If you can afford to buy the good stuff then buy it! I don't see what's so wrong about working on becoming a better cyclist on high end gear.
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Your equipment is not holding you back, your legs are. Ride more.
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Zipp 808s = sail. And we're not on a boat.
but...I'm on a boat
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