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Frames with long top tubes

Old 08-29-04, 01:13 AM
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Frames with long top tubes

I'm looking to build up a commuter bike that is very comfortable. My road bike is a Lemond and it is so comfy due to the geometry (I'm no expert, but I guess that's what it is). From my undertstanding Lemond's have long top tubes. Do you guys know of any other brands that have a longer top tube? I am currently using a late 80's Bianchi as my commuter and it is okay, but doesn't quite feel right. Thanks.

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Serotta used to build a long-top tube version of the Co. identified by "EX", I almost bought this model before I decided to go custom. Gonna bet this is still offered by Serotta, may want to check...

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I do not know what you want to spend, but going with custom geometry can fix that problem. After going to every bike shop and always feeling cramped on every stock bike they had, one of them did a test on a fit cycle (instead of just worrying about leg length). Turned out I needed a 61 with a 65 top tube. I am so much more comfortable now and I love my Serotta.
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Well, wait. Back in the beginning LeMonds were known for their laid-back 72 degree seat angle, which was one degree different from the 73 degree standard. For most of us that was slightly less than one-half inch backward at normal seat height, which if you were a slam-the-saddle-all-the-way-to-the-back fit, might have been just what you needed. As to the top tube length, I don't know.

But you can see the problem if your saddle is all the way back. On a 73 degree or steeper bike, you won't be able to get your saddle far enough back, no matter what the top tube length is.

I guess the thing to keep in mind is that upper and lower bodies are fit separately. You have to have a certain relationship between the saddle location and the crankset, and THEN you have to fit the upper body. I'd make sure I understood the fit on the LeMond before I went shopping.
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I heard litespeeds have proprotionally long top tubes. in general, though, italian bikes have short top tubes. not all, but in general, thats what I've found.
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Originally Posted by Phatman
I heard litespeeds have proprotionally long top tubes. in general, though, italian bikes have short top tubes. not all, but in general, thats what I've found.

My torelli will have a considerably longer top tube than my trek does...
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Originally Posted by labratmatt
I'm looking to build up a commuter bike that is very comfortable. My road bike is a Lemond and it is so comfy due to the geometry (I'm no expert, but I guess that's what it is). From my undertstanding Lemond's have long top tubes. Do you guys know of any other brands that have a longer top tube? I am currently using a late 80's Bianchi as my commuter and it is okay, but doesn't quite feel right.
This is how I ended up with 3 Lemonds. In searching for something different, I kept stumbling back to the one thing I really like about these bikes - the geometry. But there are ways to mix it up through frame size and components. For instance, 2 of mine are 57's (perfect) and one is a 55 (small) - giving it a completely different feel and response.

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Originally Posted by SDS
Well, wait. Back in the beginning LeMonds were known for their laid-back 72 degree seat angle, which was one degree different from the 73 degree standard. For most of us that was slightly less than one-half inch backward at normal seat height, which if you were a slam-the-saddle-all-the-way-to-the-back fit, might have been just what you needed. As to the top tube length, I don't know.

But you can see the problem if your saddle is all the way back. On a 73 degree or steeper bike, you won't be able to get your saddle far enough back, no matter what the top tube length is.

I guess the thing to keep in mind is that upper and lower bodies are fit separately. You have to have a certain relationship between the saddle location and the crankset, and THEN you have to fit the upper body. I'd make sure I understood the fit on the LeMond before I went shopping.

SDS and the rest of you guys are great. This describes me perfectly. I have the saddle all the way back.

Guess I'll keep a lookout for good lemond frames. Thanks so much.
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