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Old 05-15-10, 07:26 PM
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I dont know, I think the bike has something to do with it. After all without a bike Lance Armstrong would just be a really skinny dude.
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
I'm the same speed in the non-aero position on my $700 Giant Defy 3 with Sora/2200 components compared to my nearly $3k Cervelo P2C. It's all rider.
Burn this witch before he undermines everything the bike industry has built itself upon.
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Old 05-15-10, 08:15 PM
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I know that this is road bike forum but I want to talk about my recent mtn. bike experience because it pertains. I recently had a chance to ride a Giant Anthem X1 (demo days) I own a 97 Cannondale Super V700. I was able to ride trails that I have ridden many times before and could not keep up with my friend usually on my Cannondale. I rode the Giant for almost 2hrs. All things the same, riding the Giant, I was on his wheel for almost the entire ride. The seat did not fit me comfortably and I rode faster (avg speed) with the Giant. So the bike does make a big difference!
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I do a regular 10 mile commute on a Surly Long Haul Trucker, with a rack, pannier, and fenders. Bike weighs over 30 lbs before adding the pannier and a water bottle, so figure around 40 pounds total. Recently, I rode my Cervelo RS on the same route, no pannier. The Cervelo weighs around 17 lbs, so figure 18 lbs with the water bottle. Result: cut my time by around 15%. I'm no different, so clearly the bike made the difference. Key factors: weight, more aero riding position, more aero due to no pannier, less tire resistance (narrower tires and larger diameter wheels).
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Bike riding is not about the bike.

Rocking out onstage is not about the guitar.

Shooting is not about the rifle.

Sex is not about the girl.
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Originally Posted by f4rrest View Post
No, half the population is below the median. Less than half the population know that.
And even less than that know that the term "average" has no (precise) statistical meaning. The three recognized measures of central tendency are mean, mean, and mode.

I used the colloquial term "average" because we all have a commonly understood interpretation of "below average intelligence", enough to know it doesn't apply to any of us.
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30.5% of the replies to this thread so far (not including this post) have been political in nature.

How far can we push it?
(thanks for the push Pcad)
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Old 05-16-10, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by finale23 View Post
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Wow..... 8 posts on the forums and you already owned the 41. Congrats

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Old 05-16-10, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
I'm the same speed in the non-aero position on my $700 Giant Defy 3 with Sora/2200 components compared to my nearly $3k Cervelo P2C. It's all rider.
i expect this kind of ignorance from a BF noob, not a seasoned old timer. Here, have some kool aid.
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
i expect this kind of ignorance from a BF noob, not a seasoned old timer. Here, have some kool aid.
How a bike shifts has nothing to do with how fast it is.
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Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
And even less than that know that the term "average" has no (precise) statistical meaning. The three recognized measures of central tendency are mean, mean, and mode.

I used the colloquial term "average" because we all have a commonly understood interpretation of "below average intelligence", enough to know it doesn't apply to any of us.
I don't know what colloquial means, but I do know that the three recognized measures of central tendency are mean, median, and mode
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Old 05-16-10, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Aimulator64 View Post
How a bike shifts has nothing to do with how fast it is.
105 = ultegra
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Old 05-16-10, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
105 = ultegra
All im saying is that if a person goes the same average speed on a bike with 2200 vs a bike with ultegra, then its the rider, not the bike. And if what you are saying is true, then i just blew 400 extra dollars on my gruppo.
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Old 05-16-10, 01:44 AM
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I weigh a few pounds less than a big percent of the riders out there. So I could afford to buy a cheaper little bit heavier bike than what the rest may have bought. So the percentage I got was 100% efficent. Approaching the end of a ride though, most people are dead weight regardless, and a couple grams on the bike isn't going to matter much. Just like me dropping a pound or 2 in the bathroom before I leave really isnt going to effect much, unless I soil me spandex.
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Originally Posted by kindablue View Post
30.5% of the replies to this thread so far (not including this post) have been political in nature.

How far can we push it?
(thanks for the push Pcad)
Not much further.
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Actually no further.
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OK for those of you who don't know. We have a place where ranting about politics is the expected norm. It is called the Politics and Religion subforum. Click here.

There you will find both worthy adversaries and trustworthy allies no matter what your political stripe might be.

Here we try to talk about bicycles.

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I left some of the original sparring and the vocabulary lessons in an attempt to draw a line.
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Originally Posted by Walter View Post
I left some of the original sparring and the vocabulary lessons in an attempt to draw a line.
You left the original smear by Pcad.

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Originally Posted by petalpower View Post
If true, that explains the Obama victory.
QFT! Zero didn't do it on his own.
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I left some of the original sparring and the vocabulary lessons in an attempt to draw a line.
My bad. Didn't read this far in before my comment.
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Originally Posted by RidingMatthew View Post
I know that this is road bike forum but I want to talk about my recent mtn. bike experience because it pertains. I recently had a chance to ride a Giant Anthem X1 (demo days) I own a 97 Cannondale Super V700. I was able to ride trails that I have ridden many times before and could not keep up with my friend usually on my Cannondale. I rode the Giant for almost 2hrs. All things the same, riding the Giant, I was on his wheel for almost the entire ride. The seat did not fit me comfortably and I rode faster (avg speed) with the Giant. So the bike does make a big difference!
In my experience, the equipment makes a little more of a difference in mountain biking than road biking. I did a major climbing ride yesterday and I beat many people up the climb on my hardtail with a steep seat tube angle, a flat bar, and bar ends. The other guys were on "all mountain" bikes with 4 to 7" of travel front and rear, and a super slack seat tube angle. Sure enough, the trip down left me in the dust with my skinny tires with 35 psi was bouncing and losing traction as they rode over ruts and rocks like they weren't even there.
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Originally Posted by blueride2 View Post
You left the original smear by Pcad.

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And your original retort....

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My bad. Didn't read this far in before my comment.
You're forgiven........this time.
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Originally Posted by ptle View Post
I used to do group rides with a 1988 Bianchi Brava. It's a steel 14 speed bike with downtube shifters. I usually kept my commuting stuff (not tires) on it and it weighed about 25 pounds. I was able to keep up on fast group rides. The only time I got dropped was while doing an 11 mile climb, but that's because everyone else had been riding more than I have. I was able to keep two guys on nicer bikes, before they had to turn around because of a derailleur issue. However everyone was going their own pace, so I probably would have gotten passed. One guy on an even older Schwinn bike with DT shifters was able to keep up with everyone on their <20 pound bikes.

I also started doing this weekly Thursday ride, which is a good B pace. I was able to keep up with the group and take some pulls. I did this ride 2 or 3 times before I got my carbon bike. Since then I've done it 2 or 3 more times. The pace has gone up a bit, but on my carbon bike I do a lot better on the hills and can take longer pulls.

The main thing that helped is the responsiveness and stiffness of the bike. Going up hills on my Bianchi, I would normally be in the middle of the pack. Now I'm usually first or second to get up the hill with a good lead on the group. (We do a lot of regrouping at turns/stop signs).

However it could be because of my fitness. Once I started doing that first group ride, I really started biking a lot more.

A nicer bike helps, but not even close to as much as getting in shape.
+1, Good, serious discussion. Just to add a little, I know the additon of Ksyrium Elites and Michelin Pro's helped my speed improve slightly, but I'll bet riding during the winter instead of taking the winter off helped more.
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