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Helmet help - long hair...

Old 09-01-04, 06:16 PM
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Helmet help - long hair...

Hi folks, I could really use a hand finding a helmet. As a guy with long hair, I'm having a hard time finding helmets with a 'ponytail port' or other method to allow a proper fit. Most helmets don't say if they have a ponytail port, and images on the web only show side views.

Does anyone know what models support ponytail ports? I'm without a helmet right now and I'd really like to get something asap but without a proper fit it's a waste of money since I can't get it on my head. (I'm a 60-61 - but with the hair in a regular helmet it causes it to be bigger) An online ordering source would be ideal.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Is it safe to assume you can't be persuaded to cut your hair?
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Have one friend with ponytail who has a Giro Eclipse - they bill this one as ponytail compatible. One thing you might do is email Koffee Brown who is a contributor and moderator for the women's-only forum. Doubt they will give you access, but they may make an exception for this - you never know...gotta' believe that this is a common-enough problem experienced by both men and women.

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I just got a Giro Eclipse, and it has plenty of room for my ponytail. Most of the aero-designs these days are pony-tail friendly - they all sit up much higher than the older ones. I have a Bella as well (I guess it's a women's Bell) that is also fine with a ponytail. Any of the ones with a pointy-aero back should be fine.
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Can you just lower the ponytail a bit? I had to do that with my helmet when I had long hair and never had any problems with it.
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The answer is simple and effective-the MULLET..chicks love the mullet.
 
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Originally Posted by DocRay
..chicks love the mullet.
NOT!!!!

Anyway, I too, am having a difficult time with the helmet / long mane problem. In know this is going to cause a stir, but I HATE my helmet! It is a fairly expensive Giro, but I hate it, so I hardly ever wear it. (I already know the lectures so please don't). What I would like to know, is there a helmet that you don't even notice it is on? I hate to spend a fortune, but it must feel like it is not there and have room for a fairly high ponytail. I like my ponytail to be high enough where my hair is not sitting on the back of my neck. So instead of lectures, advice on a good helmet that meets my specs would be nice. I have already checked the LBS.
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Is it the contact that causes your discomfort? I'm sure others have probably told you to just get used to it...but it really is supposed to fit closely enough that you can't move it side/side, back/forth on your head with your hands - that unfortunately means that the fit of helmet and strap needs to be pretty close. I have only hit the ground hard with my head once in all my years riding and my helmet saved me (literally). If I had not been wearing it, my hair would have been the least of my worries. Keep tryin' 'em on, there's gotta be one out there for you. Fit of shoes, helmets, etc. is personal enough that I don't know if there's a magic bullet.

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Just stick your hair out the ports so it flies free. For real style, add beads or, better yet, bells.
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Originally Posted by Xtrmyorick
Just stick your hair out the ports so it flies free. For real style, add beads or, better yet, bells.
That would be one hell of a fashion statement.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with how I look. It just feels weird, the strap irritates my face, and it is so much hotter than just my pony flying in the wind. I have LOTS of hair. I don't know if all helmets feel that way or if it is that one in particular. Do they make one that is thin, yet protective? I was looking online and it seems that the ones that are the most lightweight with the most holes are super expensive.
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Originally Posted by Savant
Hi folks, I could really use a hand finding a helmet. As a guy with long hair,. . .
Does anyone know what models support ponytail ports? . . .

Any help would be appreciated. . .
Originally Posted by Redhed
NOT!!!!

. . . I like my ponytail to be high enough where my hair is not sitting on the back of my neck. So instead of lectures, advice on a good helmet that meets my specs would be nice. I have already checked the LBS.
You guys both have to live with the hair if you want it long. Lower the pony tail, or better yet, braid it, just for a few crosses of the braid, and lay it low and you will not have any problems with your helmet fitting like it should. If you braid it briefly, you won't have an elastic band or (worse) a rubber band pulling your hair out by the roots. Try brushing your hair to the back of your head and neck, putting your helmet on and then tying/braiding the hair back to find our how low the ponytail has to go. This method can also give your neck some UV protection, used judiciously.

Another alternative: The ever popular, "macho", multiple elastic band down the pony tail look. Worn by various motorcycle dudes of "a certain age". Once again, keep it low on the neck, and use an elastic band loosely on the first banding next to the head.

And if you are really not smarter than your hair and have a head larger than a woman's helmet with a ponytail port, you could just pull your hair out through the [/I]vents[I] in your present helmet and then you wouldn't have to worry about a ponytail port. Plus any magpies in the vicinity would have plenty of reason to divebomb you for nesting matierial and hopefully leave Chris L. alone for a while. . .And watch out for cats if your hair is really long.
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Old 09-02-04, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by foehn
You guys both have to live with the hair if you want it long. Lower the pony tail, or better yet, braid it, just for a few crosses of the braid, and lay it low and you will not have any problems with your helmet fitting like it should. If you braid it briefly, you won't have an elastic band or (worse) a rubber band pulling your hair out by the roots. Try brushing your hair to the back of your head and neck, putting your helmet on and then tying/braiding the hair back to find our how low the ponytail has to go. This method can also give your neck some UV protection, used judiciously.
Do you know how hard it is to braid behind your own head? Maybe you can teach my husband. I still want some suggestions on a thin, "I didn't know I had it on" type helmet. Mine does not have a ponytail port. My lovely, long, red hair is going to stay. I don't feel the need to cut it for a helmet. Besides, my husband would have a fit.
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Couldn't you just do something with a nice braid and a can of hairspray or two? With any luck, it will be hard enough to work as a helmet, without actually wearing a helmet.
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Old 09-02-04, 11:59 AM
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Stop looking at web photos, find a LBS and try them.
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I wear a Giro Venus helmet. I think it's advertised as having a 'ponytail port', but honestly, I don't use it for mine. I tend to wear my ponytail lower.

On a related note, does anyone have issues with wisps of hair escaping the ponytail and blowing in (or sticking to the sweat on) your face as you ride? It's kind of annoying, and the best way I've come to solve it is by wearing a headband (the thin Headsweats kind) in addition to pulling the rest of the hair back. It looks a little silly when I take the helmet off, but it's quite functional. Seems like hair clips would be a bad idea under a helmet, but what does everyone else do?
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Originally Posted by OctoberBlue
On a related note, does anyone have issues with wisps of hair escaping the ponytail and blowing in (or sticking to the sweat on) your face as you ride? It's kind of annoying, and the best way I've come to solve it is by wearing a headband (the thin Headsweats kind) in addition to pulling the rest of the hair back. It looks a little silly when I take the helmet off, but it's quite functional. Seems like hair clips would be a bad idea under a helmet, but what does everyone else do?
I do what BigFloppyLlama does.

Originally Posted by BigFloppyLlama
Can you just lower the ponytail a bit? I had to do that with my helmet when I had long hair and never had any problems with it.
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We had a guy on here with dreads that had the same problem. Im telling you guys, someone should design something and patent it already, youll make millions!!!
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Originally Posted by foehn
And if you are really not smarter than your hair and have a head larger than a woman's helmet with a ponytail port, you could just pull your hair out through the vents in your present helmet and then you wouldn't have to worry about a ponytail port.

Yeah, that's right, vents, not ports.



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Originally Posted by Redhed
Do you know how hard it is to braid behind your own head? Maybe you can teach my husband. I still want some suggestions on a thin, "I didn't know I had it on" type helmet. Mine does not have a ponytail port. My lovely, long, red hair is going to stay. I don't feel the need to cut it for a helmet. Besides, my husband would have a fit.
What's hard about it? I've been doing it for about 13 years now. A quick braid down the back is nothin'. Now french braiding it down the back is a leetle more difficult, and it makes your arms tired. I can do that, but I stopped 'cuz I was tired of all that elaboration. . . And it takes such a while, because my hair is down to my butt. Practice a few times and it will be easy.

Your best bet is to call around to bike shops and try on every helmet they have and pick the one you feel is the lightest and most "I didn't know I had it on". Cheaper helmets tend to be heavier and bulkier and more expensive helmets tend to be lighter and "not there".

If you are reluctant to braid down the center of your back, divide your hair in halves, front to back and make two braids and then join them at the bottom with an elastic band. Keeps your hair much more together and the clear area at the back/nape of the neck keeps you much, much cooler. Also, two braids tend to keep your hair much more under control.

Originally Posted by OctoberBlue
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On a related note, does anyone have issues with wisps of hair escaping the ponytail and blowing in (or sticking to the sweat on) your face as you ride? It's kind of annoying, . . .
Yeah, you betcha it's annoying! When my hair is just-washed, it tends to have and exciting life of it's own. I slick my hair back, face to the wind if there is any and put my helmet on, even when the hair is braided and I still get hair in my eyes and glasses; there is nothing more annoying than that one invisible hair in your eyelashes! During the winter when it is cold enought I use silk scarves I find at thrift shops to cover my head and tie my hair down.
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Originally Posted by Bart5657
We had a guy on here with dreads that had the same problem. Im telling you guys, someone should design something and patent it already, youll make millions!!!
If anyone does invent something in this regard, you may contact me about possibly applying for a patent. It ain't cheap -- a preliminary patent search may cost at least $6-700, and preparing a patent app may be at least another 5-6 grand, but if you think you can make money, call me.

Be aware, however, that a simple hole coming out of the back would probably not meet the test for patentability (= new, useful, and nonobvious).
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I braid my hair in two pig-tail style braids. It's off the back of my neck and doesn't interfear with my helmet. Course being a dude, I don't know if you'd go for the braided look!!
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Red...

Buy a cheap helmet and cut out a space in the back for the tail with a heat loop styrofoam cutter. It won't be as safe as an intact helmet, but it's better than nothing.

That or the lotsa hairspray idea.
 
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I concur with braiding. You can manage it behind your head and if you do it every day it gets pretty easy, and it keeps everything much more snarl free. Also, a braid will fit under a balaclava and other winter riding apparel much better than anything else I've thought of, and in winter, the more hair the better. As for loose hair sticking to your face, a full beard helps a lot, as the moisture doesn't sit on your skin and instead soaks up into the beard. Now that I'm cleanishly-shaven, I find I drip sweat a lot more than I used to.
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Originally Posted by cycleprincess
I braid my hair in two pig-tail style braids. It's off the back of my neck and doesn't interfear with my helmet. Course being a dude, I don't know if you'd go for the braided look!!
Most of the Native American men with braids look like men to me! I have visited a few Pow Wows around here and there is nothing "girlie" about a man in braid(s), unless they are wearing a woman's dress!
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I've been looking for this thread...! Yeah, as others have mentioned, I prefer to keep hair off the back of my neck when cycling if possible. I have a Louis Garneau that allows me to pull the ponytail through the spiderlock area, but I'd prefer an actual ponytail port if they ever decide to make one.

Speaking of braids, while I suck at braiding my hair, I do usually braid it to keep it from flying around during the ride. (it's also less hair to stick to the neck - considering my hair falls to the bottom of my shoulder blades, one can see why I'd like to manage it away from the neck if possible)

Maybe helmet makers could take the 'pointy area' that they build into the back of helmets and put in a little 'hair trunk' to stow away your hair for the ride.

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