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HELP I bought the wrong Garmin 705

Old 05-17-10, 12:12 PM
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HELP I bought the wrong Garmin 705

Hello Everyone. I know very little about GPSs, but since I am working out of town this summer I wanted to get one. a coworker suggested the 705. here is where it gets complicated

I purchased a 705 online for about 350-375 but it apparently only comes with European maps.

at the LBS yesterday I was told most Edges do not come with maps and the price varies greatly between w and w/o maps, plus the subscription. here are my questions.

should I just return the one I rodered and get a different one without maps?

will it work without maps just to track my course and guide me back to the hotel?

should I keep this one and simply buy the SD card with the maps? ( and the subscription update?)

also is there a wheel sensor for calculating my speed? I don't think I am fast enough for the satiliets to track me LOL.

PS this was purchased via Amazon from a company called MemoryC

thanks for your advice.
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You bought one off of - most likely - ebay. It is considered "grey market" because it is product that was built for specific distribution in the Euro-zone. As such you won't get support for it in the US.

All of the 705's come with base maps pre-loaded. These are super generic maps that give you your position with reference to large streets and general cities. The SD card maps are the street level specific maps.

In theory you should be able to buy the SD card maps for the area you want, plug it in and have maps for that area.

The really expensive option 705 just comes bundled with that card already.

For map updates to your card in the future you would have to have the subscription.

None of this is necessary though. You don't need the maps at all to simply go out and ride. You should get bread crumb maping that you can look at on the map screen to see about where you went and guide your way back if you are lost. Afterwards it will all load correctly on any map you interface it with via Garmin's training center or through other software.

FWIW - the 705 without using maps is really a Garmin 500...the BEST cycling computer.
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well, I would certainly get in touch with the merchant and see what you can do there, but if the reason you were getting a GPS was because you were going to be in a strange area and are worried about getting lost, I can tell you that you really gotta be paying no attention to your surroundings at all to get lost on a bicycle.

In fact, the basic independence of riding where you do not know the roads is what we used to call "exploring"

its great fun on a bike
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None of them come with detailed maps. They come with a rudimentary base map. Even without maps the breadcrumb feature should be enough to get you back where you started. Plus you can always save a location and then navigate to it from anywhere. It just won't be able to tell you where to turn, just the general direction to travel.

Maps are about $130 for the whole US. It's worth it to me. The fastest way to get the maps is to buy a micro SD (or whatever one it takes) and then download the maps from Garmin. You have to load them onto a card and not directly onto the GPS.

Speed will be calculated by the GPS. It's pretty dang accurate and reliable. The sensor is great for cadence and riding indoors on a trainer, but not required for speed calcs outside.

Keep what you have. You may have to contact Garmin support to register it in your name if it's already been registered. That's part of the map downloading process.
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Hi

With a little bit of reading and mucking around, I was able to get this to work for me:

https://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php.

It is free. It seems to have most streets in it, but not some small streets. I find it a bit finnicky in setting a go to a particular street, but use it as a base map and generate the routes using bike route toaster or similar.

Otherwise you can just by another SD card with the full Garmin maps for wherever you live on it, but that will cost $.

You can by a rear wheel speed and cadence sensor, but the GPS will work down to very low speeds. The extra sensor is for if you are going under trees or where the GPS cannot pick up the satellites.

I use the 705 with sportracks from zone five software. It takes a bit of sorting out how to use, but you can get great statistical information from it.

Hope this helps

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76 bucks. https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Navigat.../dp/B000I2HJ1S

Given that she bought theGarmin to find her way around it would seem worth spending $76.

I would skip the subscription for the updates. The maps don't change that much that fast.
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thanks for all the quick great help. I had thought this should work in someway without maps, but I don't understand why they don't put them in. I think the simplest solution is just get the card, and I agree I don't really understand the need for a subscription. Velogeezer I love just hopping on my bike and riding off exploring but unfortunatly more often than not I am pressed for time.
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As with a lot of things, it depends on how much money you want to spend. If you can return it, you should ... but I'm guessing you will not be able to. The maps the come with the unit are very basic. I suggest you read the reviews at amazon regarding the 705 to get a better idea of how it works. In a nutshell, if you want to ue the full features, you would buy the basic 705 unit, a regular, blank SD memory card (1 meg or bigger, about $8) and the North American Navigator DVD (about $75.) You copy the DVD to the card (that way you can have a copy on your PC). If you buy just the 'already loaded SD card', you can not copy it to your PC.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
You bought one off of - most likely - ebay. It is considered "grey market" because it is product that was built for specific distribution in the Euro-zone. As such you won't get support for it in the US.

All of the 705's come with base maps pre-loaded. These are super generic maps that give you your position with reference to large streets and general cities. The SD card maps are the street level specific maps.

In theory you should be able to buy the SD card maps for the area you want, plug it in and have maps for that area.

The really expensive option 705 just comes bundled with that card already.

For map updates to your card in the future you would have to have the subscription.

None of this is necessary though. You don't need the maps at all to simply go out and ride. You should get bread crumb maping that you can look at on the map screen to see about where you went and guide your way back if you are lost. Afterwards it will all load correctly on any map you interface it with via Garmin's training center or through other software.

FWIW - the 705 without using maps is really a Garmin 500...the BEST cycling computer.

Can you still use the 500 with training center and have it show you your route on a map when you upload the data? Thats the only thing keeping me from buying it.... i want to be able to see my ride map on the computer when i get back.
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European maps? Easy answer- you need to go to Italy this summer!
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Can you still use the 500 with training center and have it show you your route on a map when you upload the data? Thats the only thing keeping me from buying it.... i want to be able to see my ride map on the computer when i get back.
Yes, all you need for that is a GPS that keeps a breadcrumb trail (tracklog).
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Originally Posted by Aimulator64 View Post
Can you still use the 500 with training center and have it show you your route on a map when you upload the data? Thats the only thing keeping me from buying it.... i want to be able to see my ride map on the computer when i get back.
Yes. You just can't view maps while riding. It is still a GPS though...so it tracks your route...by definition.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
You bought one off of - most likely - ebay. It is considered "grey market" because it is product that was built for specific distribution in the Euro-zone. As such you won't get support for it in the US.

All of the 705's come with base maps pre-loaded. These are super generic maps that give you your position with reference to large streets and general cities. The SD card maps are the street level specific maps.

In theory you should be able to buy the SD card maps for the area you want, plug it in and have maps for that area.

The really expensive option 705 just comes bundled with that card already.

For map updates to your card in the future you would have to have the subscription.

None of this is necessary though. You don't need the maps at all to simply go out and ride. You should get bread crumb maping that you can look at on the map screen to see about where you went and guide your way back if you are lost. Afterwards it will all load correctly on any map you interface it with via Garmin's training center or through other software.

FWIW - the 705 without using maps is really a Garmin 500...the BEST cycling computer.
Agreed on all fronts. I bought my 705 from Europe (very inexpensive) the year they first came out. I plugged in a U.S. map card and still ended up saving around $150 off U.S. online pricing. The 705 is still providing great service -- never a problem -- but I have never used the map feature while on the bike.

If I were buying now, I would definitely go with the Garmin 500.

And, by the way, the 705 will track your speed very accurately without the wheel sensor. In fact, the GPS will correct the "estimated" settings on your wheel sensor (if you have one) with accurate numbers from the satellite to give you more accurate speed indications on the trainer. You can't move too slow for it to track your speed.
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And, by the way, the 705 will track your speed very accurately without the wheel sensor. .
Yes and no. Over time, i.e. your average speed for a ride, it will be accurate without the wheel sensor. The immediate speed readings without the sensor are much more prone to jump around, particularly in areas with bad satelite reception such as heavy tree cover, so the immediate speed reading can be off by a couple of miles per hour, fluctuating under and over your actual speed.
It can be a little annoying without the sensor.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Yes and no. Over time, i.e. your average speed for a ride, it will be accurate without the wheel sensor. The immediate speed readings without the sensor are much more prone to jump around, particularly in areas with bad satelite reception such as heavy tree cover, so the immediate speed reading can be off by a couple of miles per hour, fluctuating under and over your actual speed.
It can be a little annoying without the sensor.
Hmmm. I've never had that experience. Never any jumping around. Before the software upgrade (a couple years ago), heavy trees would freeze the speed reading but, since the upgrade, no problems.
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Haven't mount my 705's speed sensor yet. Does it sit above or below chain stay? Worried about slipping/tilting into wheel if it sat above seat stay.
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thanks again for all the great advice everyone. I got my No America NT SD card now I guess thew Volcano is holding up my 705. it shows arriving at Heathrow and being given to the fabulous USPS on the 10th.
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