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Lance is 5'10" - why does he ride a 58cm frame?

Old 05-27-10, 01:32 PM
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Motorized doping -- having a bigger frame makes it easier to hide the components. Least that's what Landis told me, anyway.
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It's Not About The Height
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It's Not About The Height
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Is that what you compare yours to?

Well when the bags half empty it can kinda go where it needs to without much complaining...
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
he posted some "hows my position threads" on bf a few years back, got some outstanding feedback that his 55 cm frame was too small, went to his lbs to get another size up. he posted a few more pics and everyone approved so he's just stuck with it
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Compare the frame geometry tables on Trek's website to those of any other manufacturer. You'll answer your own question.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Most rec riders have their back at about a 45 degree angle while on the hoods. Lance's back is maybe a 15-20 degree angle when he's on the hoods. Definitely gonna take different setups to make everyone happy.
I think LesterOfPuppets gets the prize. This makes the most sense to me.
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Looking at pics of the pro peloton, I'm surprised how much variation there is in how different riders are fit on their bikes. Some look "stretched out" and some look "cramped" and there is everything inbetween. The only thing that seems to be constant is the approximate leg extension at the bottom of the pedal stroke but even that is hard to tell from pics. It makes me wonder if "proper fit" is a myth where you'd probably have to try tweaking, getting used to the tweak, and then checking with power to see if the fit improved.

Everybody is a little different, and it seems like a general guideline to fit would have to be individualized for each rider... Take a guy the same height and arm/leg proportions as me, but with a big beer gut, and I think his "optimal" fit is going to be different from mine.
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Originally Posted by mymilkexpired View Post
well when the bags half empty it can kinda go where it needs to without much complaining...
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Originally Posted by milkbaby View Post
Looking at pics of the pro peloton, I'm surprised how much variation there is in how different riders are fit on their bikes. Some look "stretched out" and some look "cramped" and there is everything inbetween. The only thing that seems to be constant is the approximate leg extension at the bottom of the pedal stroke but even that is hard to tell from pics. It makes me wonder if "proper fit" is a myth where you'd probably have to try tweaking, getting used to the tweak, and then checking with power to see if the fit improved.

Everybody is a little different, and it seems like a general guideline to fit would have to be individualized for each rider... Take a guy the same height and arm/leg proportions as me, but with a big beer gut, and I think his "optimal" fit is going to be different from mine.

I think this has always been the general consensus.
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I WILL END THIS DEBATE NOW. He did ride 58cm.

The old 5500/5200 OCLV frames were measured in such a way that Trek's 58cm was like most other companies 56cm (to top of collar). I own a 58cm Postal Trek from back then and I am 5'11.5". Here's your proof.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/tech/...kes/usps.shtml
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Originally Posted by slothlike View Post
I WILL END THIS DEBATE NOW. He did ride 58cm.

The old 5500/5200 OCLV frames were measured in such a way that Trek's 58cm was like most other companies 56cm (to top of collar). I own a 58cm Postal Trek from back then and I am 5'11.5". Here's your proof.
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/tech/...kes/usps.shtml
This isn't talking about the older bikes, it's talking about the brand new madone 6.9.

the 58 madone 6.9 had a 57.3 ETT which is closer to most 58s than to most 56s.
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Old 05-27-10, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by trinamuous View Post
Compare the frame geometry tables on Trek's website to those of any other manufacturer. You'll answer your own question.
Right. A 58cm Trek is not a 58cm by any of the more common methods of measuring. It's more like a 56cm. Compare the reach and stack values to C'dale or Cervelo, that also list reach and stack.
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Old 05-27-10, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Yaniel View Post
This isn't talking about the older bikes, it's talking about the brand new madone 6.9.

the 58 madone 6.9 had a 57.3 ETT which is closer to most 58s than to most 56s.
That is why I said "he did ride" a 58cm. It looks like they still measure the newer frame similarly though. They are more like a 56cm in other brands which is what I would expect him to ride at his height. Maybe a little smaller.
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Old 05-27-10, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Yaniel View Post
This isn't talking about the older bikes, it's talking about the brand new madone 6.9.

the 58 madone 6.9 had a 57.3 ETT which is closer to most 58s than to most 56s.
Yes, and the TT on the older 5500 was 57cm as well which matches the current Madone. He is not big on change.
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Maybe we should send him a collective email letting him know that hes doing it all wrong?
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Lance was made a custom bike which was made a stock size. Its why the Trek 58 is kind of an odd ball size. This way, Trek and Postal/Disco/Astana/now Radioshack can say lance rides a stock frame
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Originally Posted by nitropowered View Post
Lance was made a custom bike which was made a stock size. Its why the Trek 58 is kind of an odd ball size. This way, Trek and Postal/Disco/Astana/now Radioshack can say lance rides a stock frame
This was not true of the 5500. The geometry was already in place before postal.
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Maybe the 58 was all his LBS had in stock, and they wanted to get rid of it so they convinced him it fit properly.
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Maybe the 58 was all his LBS had in stock, and they wanted to get rid of it so they convinced him it fit properly.


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I heard from a very reliable source that Lance went into the LBS looking to get a CAAD9, but the salesperson convinced him that the CAAD9 was the most uncomfortable bike in the world and sold him a Trek instead.

The free saddlebag and helmet mirror clinched the deal.
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Originally Posted by nycbianchi View Post
FYI, a couple of people have commented on the RBR website (where I read about the 58cm bike) and Jim, the author, provided some additional information. None of it makes much sense (long legs?!) but he does confirm the 58cm thing and links to some more information about Lance's bike.

http://www.roadbikerider.com/comments.htm
Interesting reading ...

Lance's New Bike



I've been lucky to have the Amgen Tour of California roll through my small town of Santa Cruz the last 2 years. At the stage finish on May 18, I snapped this photo of Lance Armstrong's Team RadioShack Trek Madone, which the mechanics had just washed. It's about as high tech as a road bike can get. I thought you might like some details.

Let's start with the fact that, like every bicycle I saw at the race, Lance's Madone is almost entirely carbon fiber. Because carbon can be laid up in virtually any shape for any purpose -- from getting more power to the road, to cheating the wind, to shaving grams -- designers are pushing the material's performance envelope. The feeling is that if you're not on carbon, you're at a disadvantage.

Lance rides a 58-cm Pro Fit Madone 6 series frame built of top-line OCLV2 carbon, the lightest and strongest Trek makes. For sprinting stiffness and great handling at any speed while preserving comfort, the frame has a tapered front end. The bottom of the oversize head tube and fork are shaped round-to-oval. For maximum power transfer and flying up climbs, there's a massive 90-mm-wide bottom bracket. BBs are typically 68 mm and use external cups. Ingeniously, Trek builds the bearing seats into the frame's carbon BB shell so it can be widened and stiffened without increasing the distance between the crankarms.

Contributing to the Madone's efficient ride is an integrated seatmast. Being part of the frame, it adds stiffness, saves weight and looks custom. I haven't ridden a Madone but I have an accomplished racer friend who owns one. He raves about the ride, saying the bike is incredibly quick but super stable in the corners, as well as featherweight and comfortable. None of this surprises me because I could say the same for my Cervelo Carbon Soloist, which has only a few of the Madone's features. (I log all my training miles on a 6Al/4V titanium Litespeed Vortex, a 1999 model, but I wouldn't race on it because the Cervelo is so much more efficient.)

Continuing the carbon theme, Lance's ride boasts Bontrager Aeolus 5.0 tubular wheels with 50-mm-deep aero rims. Tall rims mean energy savings in and out of the pack, so they're almost the racing standard. Lance uses a Bontrager Race XXX Lite carbon stem with a Race Lite aluminum (not carbon) handlebar. The bar and stem have a 31.8-mm clamp diameter, which we used to consider oversize but is now as standard as aero wheels. Carbon is also extensively used in the bike's SRAM Red components -- crankarms, brake/shift levers and rear derailleur. The Red calipers sport carbon-specific brake pads so as not to ruin the trick rims. Lance is on Look's new carbon Blade pedals, which even have carbon springs. Among finishing touches are Gore cables with internal routing and Trek Bat carbon bottle cages.

I picked up Lance's bike. I believe reports that it's flirting with the UCI's 14.9-lb. (6.8 kg) minimum weight limit. Lance stands 5-foot-10 (1.77 m) and weighs around 160 pounds (73 kg). The fact that he uses a "regular" San Marco Concor Lite saddle rather than some featherweight model suggests the rest of the bike is superlight. Finally, the Madone has a custom Unity paint job. This Trek/Livestrong program raises money to fight cancer by letting cyclists purchase stickers and accessories with the name of someone they're riding for.

(Jim Langley has been a pro mechanic and cycling writer for 38 years. At RBR he's the author of Your Home Bicycle Workshop and moderator of the "Roadie Rap" technical forums on the Premium Site. Check his "cycling aficionado" website at www.jimlangley.net, his Q&A blog and updates at Twitter. Jim's streak of consecutive cycling days has reached 5,978.)
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross View Post
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yup. my 56 is too high for me so i have to lean it quite a long way when i'm standing over it but it is seems pretty short for me.
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What gets me is that they sell the Performance fit as a bike that is intended for less flexible riders rather than just telling you they are offering more options. The pic of lances bike shows he rides the 58 pro fit with a short seat post. I can just fit on a 58 with a long post set on the limit, so even with a performance fit i have a greater seat to bar drop than a pro rider, yet I am labled as less flexible.

Its the same with bike reviews, one tells you a colnago Ace has a huge long Head tube for a given frame size and gives an upright riding position but compare it with the Tarmac geometry that they say lets you tuck down out of the wind and the difference in Head tube length is about 10mm. Any difference in length is taken out by changing the stem so you can get the exact same position on both bikes but one is "Racing" and the othe ris "relaxed" You really have to look at geometry in terms of your own set up to gain anything meaningful from it
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Originally Posted by FlatSix911 View Post
Interesting reading ...
The Red calipers sport carbon-specific brake pads so as not to ruin the trick rims.
this is adorable
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