SRAM gruppo vs. Shimano gruppo
06-02-10, 06:05 PM
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I actually have all three. Shimano 9 speed on my CX bike, Campy 10 speed on my neo-vintage, and SRAM Red on my race bike. They all shift your gears. I like Red best because the shifters fit my hands best.
06-02-10, 07:39 PM
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5600 < 5700 < 6600 < Rival < 6700 < Force < 7800 < 7900 < Red
Of course I'm not going off of any real life sources or data, or anything for that matter.
Of course I'm not going off of any real life sources or data, or anything for that matter.
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SRAM is nice stuff. Especially if you have smaller hands (surprisingly, the Japanese think big hands are the norm). I've heard Campy is nice for little hands too. It's less easy to acquire at a reasonable price (Campagnolo is run by people who want to fail, apparently).
I suggest digging into what each company has, on your own. None of them are excitingly better.
I suggest digging into what each company has, on your own. None of them are excitingly better.
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06-02-10, 08:06 PM
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I'm a complainer and I have nothing bad to say about 7800.
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https://www.campyonly.com/topten.html
Tim's Top Ten Reasons Why
Campagnolo is Better than ShimaNO
10. You can actually take the rear hub apart with out a factory tool.
9. The bottom bracket and rear hub gear cluster are the same tool, and lighter than a boat anchor.
8. Shifter cables don`t get AM radio.
7. Headsets last more than the first good rain storm.
6. No irritating special pins to put into the chain.
5. All hubs and gear clusters interchange.
4. Never have to change out the annoying Bio-Pace chain rings.
3. Down tube shifters have derailleur trim adjustment on the shifter.
(Remember the Park Bicycle Tool add with the Motorola Rider getting a rear derailleur tweak by the mechanic leaning out of the team car? The entire reason this happened was because he was riding ShimaNO. The rest of the riders on Campy made the adjustment while riding and dropped this poor fool.)
2. SPD cleats don`t make stable platforms to pedal from.
(I have yet to see a top professional ride ShimaNO road pedals. Look at the next race and see how many ShimaNO pedals you see.)
1. You never have to remember if you are braking or shifting.
Tim's 5 Reasons Why ShimaNO People Are Stupid
(And Suffer From )
1. Gear clusters don`t come apart. ShimaNO buyers could not put them back together.
2. People that buy ShimaNO can`t use a chain tool. The special $1 each links for their chains prove that. How many years have the rest of us been using a chain tool!!! It works for everybody else or they wouldn't sell them.
3. ShimaNO MTB clusters come in 11-28 period. Nobody could figure out what gears work best so you don`t get a choice. If you spend the $1500 for XTR you can go for the 11-32 cluster, but that is special order.
4. MTB straddle cables don`t adjust so you can`t get it wrong. If there is a fit problem you need another special order cable that is shorter or longer. If ShimaNO people could adjust the cable properly this wouldn`t be necessary.
5. The rear hub doesn`t come apart for service because ShimaNO customers can't put them back together anyway.
Tim's New Top Ten!
Ten more reason not to buy Dura-Ace components:
1. 600 and 105 get zero improvements this year, because Dura-Ace has so many problems everybody is working on a fix.
2. Dura-Ace hollow arm cranks dent easily, but you can have the body shop pull the dent and put Bondo on it.
3. Gear indicator on the Dura-Ace is just a lube squeege. If the cable has any dirt or grease it gets stuck in the indicator window and clogged up.
4. Dura-Ace gear indicator window fills with water when it rains.
5. Shimano advertizes several Dura-Ace cassettes, but the only one the distributors seem to have is a 12-25.
6. Service parts for Dura-Ace don`t exist.
7. Dura-Ace dual pivot calipers come with factory stripped aluminum bolts so you have to drill then off to service the brakes.
8. Shimano sells slotted hubs so you can make and aero bladed wheel for Dura-Ace. Campy makes a total solution with rim hub and spokethat works much better (Shamal). Don`t treat the sympton, get the cure.
9. Shimano doesn`t even make rims. It probably better that way. If they did you have to ride with a spare.
10. Shimano`s idea of a sealing the bottom bracket for Dura-Ace is putting tape on the box it comes in.
Tim's Top Ten Reasons Why
Campagnolo is Better than ShimaNO
10. You can actually take the rear hub apart with out a factory tool.
9. The bottom bracket and rear hub gear cluster are the same tool, and lighter than a boat anchor.
8. Shifter cables don`t get AM radio.
7. Headsets last more than the first good rain storm.
6. No irritating special pins to put into the chain.
5. All hubs and gear clusters interchange.
4. Never have to change out the annoying Bio-Pace chain rings.
3. Down tube shifters have derailleur trim adjustment on the shifter.
(Remember the Park Bicycle Tool add with the Motorola Rider getting a rear derailleur tweak by the mechanic leaning out of the team car? The entire reason this happened was because he was riding ShimaNO. The rest of the riders on Campy made the adjustment while riding and dropped this poor fool.)
2. SPD cleats don`t make stable platforms to pedal from.
(I have yet to see a top professional ride ShimaNO road pedals. Look at the next race and see how many ShimaNO pedals you see.)
1. You never have to remember if you are braking or shifting.
Tim's 5 Reasons Why ShimaNO People Are Stupid
(And Suffer From )
1. Gear clusters don`t come apart. ShimaNO buyers could not put them back together.
2. People that buy ShimaNO can`t use a chain tool. The special $1 each links for their chains prove that. How many years have the rest of us been using a chain tool!!! It works for everybody else or they wouldn't sell them.
3. ShimaNO MTB clusters come in 11-28 period. Nobody could figure out what gears work best so you don`t get a choice. If you spend the $1500 for XTR you can go for the 11-32 cluster, but that is special order.
4. MTB straddle cables don`t adjust so you can`t get it wrong. If there is a fit problem you need another special order cable that is shorter or longer. If ShimaNO people could adjust the cable properly this wouldn`t be necessary.
5. The rear hub doesn`t come apart for service because ShimaNO customers can't put them back together anyway.
Tim's New Top Ten!
Ten more reason not to buy Dura-Ace components:
1. 600 and 105 get zero improvements this year, because Dura-Ace has so many problems everybody is working on a fix.
2. Dura-Ace hollow arm cranks dent easily, but you can have the body shop pull the dent and put Bondo on it.
3. Gear indicator on the Dura-Ace is just a lube squeege. If the cable has any dirt or grease it gets stuck in the indicator window and clogged up.
4. Dura-Ace gear indicator window fills with water when it rains.
5. Shimano advertizes several Dura-Ace cassettes, but the only one the distributors seem to have is a 12-25.
6. Service parts for Dura-Ace don`t exist.
7. Dura-Ace dual pivot calipers come with factory stripped aluminum bolts so you have to drill then off to service the brakes.
8. Shimano sells slotted hubs so you can make and aero bladed wheel for Dura-Ace. Campy makes a total solution with rim hub and spokethat works much better (Shamal). Don`t treat the sympton, get the cure.
9. Shimano doesn`t even make rims. It probably better that way. If they did you have to ride with a spare.
10. Shimano`s idea of a sealing the bottom bracket for Dura-Ace is putting tape on the box it comes in.
Answer to OP: Just use whatever. Campy, Shimano, SRAM - they all do their job fine at higher-end levels. If they didn't, everyone would gravitate towards one group. It really comes down to personal preference. I don't like campy because I find that it is harder to find their parts in general. SRAM and Shimano seem to be more widely available. I have tried SRAM and it is good and just fine. Personally I use Shimano Ultegra 6500 and am happy with it, but I could easily switch to SRAM on my next bike if I got a good deal on it.
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06-03-10, 12:21 AM
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holy hell this is ridiculous
the best parts about the outdated list:
5. All hubs and gear clusters interchange.
well, this certainly isn't true anymore
6. No irritating special pins to put into the chain.
yeah, campy wants you to buy a $150 chain tool. nice
2. SPD cleats don`t make stable platforms to pedal from.
(I have yet to see a top professional ride ShimaNO road pedals. Look at the next race and see how many ShimaNO pedals you see.)
no one's seen a campy pedal in a decade
3. ShimaNO MTB clusters come in 11-28 period. Nobody could figure out what gears work best so you don`t get a choice. If you spend the $1500 for XTR you can go for the 11-32 cluster, but that is special order.
haha. campy still doesn't make mtn stuff.
4. MTB straddle cables don`t adjust so you can`t get it wrong. If there is a fit problem you need another special order cable that is shorter or longer. If ShimaNO people could adjust the cable properly this wouldn`t be necessary.
straddle cable. nice. there's your real indicator of list age
the best parts about the outdated list:
5. All hubs and gear clusters interchange.
well, this certainly isn't true anymore
6. No irritating special pins to put into the chain.
yeah, campy wants you to buy a $150 chain tool. nice
2. SPD cleats don`t make stable platforms to pedal from.
(I have yet to see a top professional ride ShimaNO road pedals. Look at the next race and see how many ShimaNO pedals you see.)
no one's seen a campy pedal in a decade
3. ShimaNO MTB clusters come in 11-28 period. Nobody could figure out what gears work best so you don`t get a choice. If you spend the $1500 for XTR you can go for the 11-32 cluster, but that is special order.
haha. campy still doesn't make mtn stuff.
4. MTB straddle cables don`t adjust so you can`t get it wrong. If there is a fit problem you need another special order cable that is shorter or longer. If ShimaNO people could adjust the cable properly this wouldn`t be necessary.
straddle cable. nice. there's your real indicator of list age
06-03-10, 05:19 AM
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I'll just say what everyone's thinking: you're an idiot
Answer to OP: Just use whatever. Campy, Shimano, SRAM - they all do their job fine at higher-end levels. If they didn't, everyone would gravitate towards one group. It really comes down to personal preference. I don't like campy because I find that it is harder to find their parts in general. SRAM and Shimano seem to be more widely available. I have tried SRAM and it is good and just fine. Personally I use Shimano Ultegra 6500 and am happy with it, but I could easily switch to SRAM on my next bike if I got a good deal on it.
Answer to OP: Just use whatever. Campy, Shimano, SRAM - they all do their job fine at higher-end levels. If they didn't, everyone would gravitate towards one group. It really comes down to personal preference. I don't like campy because I find that it is harder to find their parts in general. SRAM and Shimano seem to be more widely available. I have tried SRAM and it is good and just fine. Personally I use Shimano Ultegra 6500 and am happy with it, but I could easily switch to SRAM on my next bike if I got a good deal on it.
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06-03-10, 05:50 AM
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I did a group ride over the weekend and one of the bikes had Sram, when he stopped pedaling it made a lot of noise clicking when coasting.
Is this typical of all Sram ?
Is this typical of all Sram ?
06-03-10, 08:16 AM
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You need to see how each of them feels to you and which type of shifting you prefer. I'm not talking about which is smoother or louder or whatever. The Shimano STI levers and the Sram double tap and the Campy Ergopower levers are all totally different concepts and work nothing like each other. They all change gears, but that's about where the similarities end. You need to try them all and decide what you like. Personally, I have gone from Shimano 600 8 speed to Ultegra 9 speed to Ultegra 10 speed and would never change. But that's because I like how the Shimano levers work and have never had a problem with them. I don't care for the thumb lever on the Campy and don't like the dual-function single lever of the Sram. All 3 allow 1 upshift gear at a time. Sram and new Shimano (Ultegra 6700) allow 2 downshift gears at a time, Shimano Ultegra 6600 allowed 3 (glad I got mine when I did, you can still find it online), and I'm not sure about Campy. But the bottom line is that your comfort with how the mechanism works is much more important than the name. They are all good quality. And unless you race or are obsessed with weight, save yourself some money and avoid the top of the line. I rode Dura-Ace and honestly felt it functioned no better than Ultegra, but it was alot more expensive.
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06-03-10, 08:21 AM
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That has to do with the wheelset, not the gruppo. Were they SRAM wheels? There are plenty of bikes that have loud hubs; I have Fulcrum wheels and they're pretty loud compared to my Williams.
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06-03-10, 08:29 AM
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Lance gets paid to use SRAM. It must be better.
Oh, and SRAM's product is the oldest of the current crop by a significant margin. That makes it not just better, but "classic." (Don't say "long in the tooth" or "clunky" or we'll slash your tires.)
But I'm still not sure the word "gruppo" belongs in that close a proximity to the words SRAM and Shimano.
Oh, and SRAM's product is the oldest of the current crop by a significant margin. That makes it not just better, but "classic." (Don't say "long in the tooth" or "clunky" or we'll slash your tires.)
But I'm still not sure the word "gruppo" belongs in that close a proximity to the words SRAM and Shimano.
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does anyone wanna trade my DA 7900 shifters/ RD / FD for SRAM red equivalent? I need better reach for bigger gears when I do my sprints.
