SRAM gruppo vs. Shimano gruppo
06-03-10, 10:09 AM
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You need to see how each of them feels to you and which type of shifting you prefer. I'm not talking about which is smoother or louder or whatever. The Shimano STI levers and the Sram double tap and the Campy Ergopower levers are all totally different concepts and work nothing like each other. They all change gears, but that's about where the similarities end. You need to try them all and decide what you like. Personally, I have gone from Shimano 600 8 speed to Ultegra 9 speed to Ultegra 10 speed and would never change. But that's because I like how the Shimano levers work and have never had a problem with them. I don't care for the thumb lever on the Campy and don't like the dual-function single lever of the Sram. All 3 allow 1 upshift gear at a time. Sram and new Shimano (Ultegra 6700) allow 2 downshift gears at a time, Shimano Ultegra 6600 allowed 3 (glad I got mine when I did, you can still find it online), and I'm not sure about Campy. But the bottom line is that your comfort with how the mechanism works is much more important than the name. They are all good quality. And unless you race or are obsessed with weight, save yourself some money and avoid the top of the line. I rode Dura-Ace and honestly felt it functioned no better than Ultegra, but it was alot more expensive.
06-03-10, 12:28 PM
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Lance gets paid to use SRAM. It must be better.
Oh, and SRAM's product is the oldest of the current crop by a significant margin. That makes it not just better, but "classic." (Don't say "long in the tooth" or "clunky" or we'll slash your tires.)
But I'm still not sure the word "gruppo" belongs in that close a proximity to the words SRAM and Shimano.
Oh, and SRAM's product is the oldest of the current crop by a significant margin. That makes it not just better, but "classic." (Don't say "long in the tooth" or "clunky" or we'll slash your tires.)
But I'm still not sure the word "gruppo" belongs in that close a proximity to the words SRAM and Shimano.
06-03-10, 12:35 PM
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06-03-10, 12:38 PM
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Campy allows three or four upshift gears at a time, aka "dumping the cassette". The only thing I'm not 100% sold on is the thumb lever placement, just because I like a little more freedom in where I put my hands.
06-03-10, 12:42 PM
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I didn't read any of this thread, because I don't really care what anyone else says.
Campagnolo Chorus/Record 10 levers felt horrible in my hand, and I hated the thumb lever.
I again did not like the ergonomics of SRAM Red, nor the price that went with it.
Dura Ace 7900 felt and looked goofy.
Dura Ace 7800 <333333
all shift well and are reasonably light and durable. shape and the way they shift is really the only noticeable difference.
new Rival takes the cake for best bang for buck on the lower end groups, and I HATED the shape of the '07 105 levers.
my opinion. different hands will feel differently on different hoods/levers, though.
Campagnolo Chorus/Record 10 levers felt horrible in my hand, and I hated the thumb lever.
I again did not like the ergonomics of SRAM Red, nor the price that went with it.
Dura Ace 7900 felt and looked goofy.
Dura Ace 7800 <333333
all shift well and are reasonably light and durable. shape and the way they shift is really the only noticeable difference.
new Rival takes the cake for best bang for buck on the lower end groups, and I HATED the shape of the '07 105 levers.
my opinion. different hands will feel differently on different hoods/levers, though.
06-03-10, 01:21 PM
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06-03-10, 01:47 PM
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These were like a kid but baseball cards on the spokes to get noticed.
06-03-10, 02:06 PM
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If it's a noise when coasting, it's not the group, because no parts of the "group" are moving. It's the freehub. Maybe the noisy one had lighter grease inside.
06-03-10, 03:53 PM
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Why are some freehubs loud? I have never had a bike with a loud freehub.
Is cool like a loud exhaust on a Porsche car? Or is it child like like a loud exhaust on a Honda Civic
Is cool like a loud exhaust on a Porsche car? Or is it child like like a loud exhaust on a Honda Civic
06-03-10, 04:16 PM
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Like others have said, I prefer the SRAM STI lever shape to Shimano. It fits my hands better - more comfy. Definitely a taste thing.
It's slightly louder than my Ultegra 6600 was overall, but there are too many other variables to say that's a given.
Same thing with shifting. It feels sharper, quicker, louder, but that could be the new cables.
It's slightly louder than my Ultegra 6600 was overall, but there are too many other variables to say that's a given.
Same thing with shifting. It feels sharper, quicker, louder, but that could be the new cables.
06-03-10, 10:25 PM
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Shimano freehubs are usually quiet, and Campy/Fulcrum freehubs are usually loud. You could make Shimano loud or Campy quiet by cleaning them out and greasing them differently. Police bikes often use silent hubs so they can sneak around better.
I think a loud freehub is kinda fun, actually. Nearly eliminates the need for a bell when I have to ride a MUP.
06-04-10, 12:00 AM
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DA 7900 has adjustable reach for the control levers, I think that this should be able to accomodate your need.
06-04-10, 12:03 AM
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A buzzing freehub is your bike's way of saying "pedal you lazy SOB!"
06-04-10, 07:20 AM
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No, a loud freehub is your bike's way of teling your competition, "Hey, this guy is getting a free ride in your draft. It's time to pull off the front."
06-04-10, 10:45 AM
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The given reason is that the lighter grease lets the pawls engage more quickly.
Shimano freehubs are usually quiet, and Campy/Fulcrum freehubs are usually loud. You could make Shimano loud or Campy quiet by cleaning them out and greasing them differently. Police bikes often use silent hubs so they can sneak around better.
I think a loud freehub is kinda fun, actually. Nearly eliminates the need for a bell when I have to ride a MUP.
Shimano freehubs are usually quiet, and Campy/Fulcrum freehubs are usually loud. You could make Shimano loud or Campy quiet by cleaning them out and greasing them differently. Police bikes often use silent hubs so they can sneak around better.
I think a loud freehub is kinda fun, actually. Nearly eliminates the need for a bell when I have to ride a MUP.
06-04-10, 11:48 AM
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The levers are already adjusted for my small hands and I made attempts to get used to it especially on sprints. I still find it difficult to upshift, it takes more throw to do that vs SRAM.
06-04-10, 01:22 PM
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Thank God for a sensible answer. Stupid remarks like "if it ain't Campy it's junk" are stupid! I've owned bikes with Campy, Scram and Shimano. I'd be happy to race anybodies Campy equipped bike against my Shimano anytime.
