wunderkind

Hope I don't start some sort of bicycle jihad war. However I am just curious in terms of parts hierarchy, how do these two line-up?

Is the Sram Red = Shimano Dura Ace sets or what?

Anyone rides on Sram stuff?

Pros and Cons for Sram?

Brightwork

I think you do.

RichinPeoria

both are garbage parts so what does it matter

coasting 

only beginners need to use sram

cotatrials

+1 (if it isn't Campy, it's crap)

wanders

Campy is made of glass and sugar. What doesn't shatter, dissolves in water.

ptle

SRAM Rival should be compared to Shimano Ultegra.
SRAM Force should be compared to Shimano Dura Ace.
SRAM Red should also be compared to Shimano Dura Ace in all aspects except weight.

The real deal is that having Dura Ace isn't going to make you faster than having Red or vice-versa. They are both top of the line when it comes to shifting. I'm pretty sure they are both reliable and durable. The only real advantage is that Red is lighter.

All the other features are based on your preference such as having double tap or having 'smoother' shifts.

wunderkind

^ you mean that SRAM does not have anything in the 105 level and lower?




Sorry if I alienated Campy folks. OK where does Campy slot in? Not like I really care. I had a Fiat once. Italian make and all....

bismillah

Shimano Gruppo**********

chado445510

They've got Sram Apex. Check it out.

pdedes

my sram red group works great, clickety-click. so do my da groups.

RichinPeoria

https://www.campyonly.com/topten.html

Tim's Top Ten Reasons Why
Campagnolo is Better than ShimaNO

10. You can actually take the rear hub apart with out a factory tool.
9. The bottom bracket and rear hub gear cluster are the same tool, and lighter than a boat anchor.
8. Shifter cables don`t get AM radio.
7. Headsets last more than the first good rain storm.
6. No irritating special pins to put into the chain.
5. All hubs and gear clusters interchange.
4. Never have to change out the annoying Bio-Pace chain rings.
3. Down tube shifters have derailleur trim adjustment on the shifter.
(Remember the Park Bicycle Tool add with the Motorola Rider getting a rear derailleur tweak by the mechanic leaning out of the team car? The entire reason this happened was because he was riding ShimaNO. The rest of the riders on Campy made the adjustment while riding and dropped this poor fool.)
2. SPD cleats don`t make stable platforms to pedal from.
(I have yet to see a top professional ride ShimaNO road pedals. Look at the next race and see how many ShimaNO pedals you see.)
1. You never have to remember if you are braking or shifting.


Tim's 5 Reasons Why ShimaNO People Are Stupid
(And Suffer From )

1. Gear clusters don`t come apart. ShimaNO buyers could not put them back together.
2. People that buy ShimaNO can`t use a chain tool. The special $1 each links for their chains prove that. How many years have the rest of us been using a chain tool!!! It works for everybody else or they wouldn't sell them.
3. ShimaNO MTB clusters come in 11-28 period. Nobody could figure out what gears work best so you don`t get a choice. If you spend the $1500 for XTR you can go for the 11-32 cluster, but that is special order.
4. MTB straddle cables don`t adjust so you can`t get it wrong. If there is a fit problem you need another special order cable that is shorter or longer. If ShimaNO people could adjust the cable properly this wouldn`t be necessary.
5. The rear hub doesn`t come apart for service because ShimaNO customers can't put them back together anyway.

Tim's New Top Ten!
Ten more reason not to buy Dura-Ace components:

1. 600 and 105 get zero improvements this year, because Dura-Ace has so many problems everybody is working on a fix.
2. Dura-Ace hollow arm cranks dent easily, but you can have the body shop pull the dent and put Bondo on it.
3. Gear indicator on the Dura-Ace is just a lube squeege. If the cable has any dirt or grease it gets stuck in the indicator window and clogged up.
4. Dura-Ace gear indicator window fills with water when it rains.
5. Shimano advertizes several Dura-Ace cassettes, but the only one the distributors seem to have is a 12-25.
6. Service parts for Dura-Ace don`t exist.
7. Dura-Ace dual pivot calipers come with factory stripped aluminum bolts so you have to drill then off to service the brakes.
8. Shimano sells slotted hubs so you can make and aero bladed wheel for Dura-Ace. Campy makes a total solution with rim hub and spokethat works much better (Shamal). Don`t treat the sympton, get the cure.
9. Shimano doesn`t even make rims. It probably better that way. If they did you have to ride with a spare.
10. Shimano`s idea of a sealing the bottom bracket for Dura-Ace is putting tape on the box it comes in.

Ware

Rich, those lists are um... slightly out of date...

RichinPeoria

sorry it was the best I could do in a limited amount of time

botto 

come on, admit what we all know: you don't have a clue.

wunderkind

Crash716

I'll second that.....

anyone who still refers to it as 600 should obviously be dragged to death by the 2/3rds of the peleton that IS NOT on Campy.

coasting 

sram and caad9 are BF favourites. thats enough to prejudice me against them.

RichinPeoria

The point here is, people, that Campagnolo makes the best parts you can buy. Everything else will only cause you problems. The sooner you recognize this the better your bicycling experience will be.

wacomme

I think you need to look elsewhere for real answers. For some reason that I cannot fathom to understand, people hero-worship gruppos like they do sports teams. I need a new gruppo soon and would love to hear real comparisons, but I've looked elsewhere.

ZXiMan

I really like the SRAM stuff. I'm a new convert. I like the way SRAM shifts, especially the front derailleur. Rear shifting is also a bit more precise. The new Shimano 6700/7900 seems a bit vague in comparison to SRAM Red/Force. SRAM groupsets are also lighter than the Shimano equivalent. SRAM seems to need finer adjustment for proper shifting but once you get it right it is really nice.

RichinPeoria

if you are expecting to get real and reliable data that you can based a rational decision on here in BF .... I dont know what to say

gus6464

sram>shimano>campagnolo>shimano>sram

wacomme

Anecdotal data is fine (all one can expect on a forum). It's the gruppo bravado that becomes trite.

gus6464

A real cyclist just has 3 bikes with the top end groups of each. OP just get 3 bikes instead of one.