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umd 06-13-10 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by frpax (Post 10955277)
Personally, I don't differentiate between racing and non-racing. Hence my confusion about the OP's statement about miles.
I don't either, but I don't think that means the seller was "FOS" if they said it was raced 1000 miles.

frpax 06-13-10 09:19 AM
Originally Posted by umd (Post 10955297)
I don't either, but I don't think that means the seller was "FOS" if they said it was raced 1000 miles.
I agree with that.

gregf83 06-13-10 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by frpax (Post 10955277)
That was the point of my post.

Personally, I don't differentiate between racing and non-racing. Hence my confusion about the OP's statement about miles.
Except that the probability of crashing is considerably higher while racing.

mike868y 06-13-10 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 10955685)
Except that the probability of crashing is considerably higher while racing.
FWIW, I've seen more crashes on training rides than races.

gregf83 06-13-10 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 10955701)
FWIW, I've seen more crashes on training rides than races.
You probably train more than you race.

993guy 06-13-10 05:10 PM
I recommend anyone riding a used carbon frame send it to me immediately so I can dispose of it safely.

mike868y 06-13-10 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 10956042)
You probably train more than you race.
I probably race more than you.

gregf83 06-13-10 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 10956891)
I probably race more than you.
That may be true (and irrelevant) but you still train more than you race which explains why you may have seen more crashes while training vs racing.

mike868y 06-13-10 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by gregf83 (Post 10956942)
That may be true (and irrelevant) but you still train more than you race which explains why you may have seen more crashes while training vs racing.
Unless you race a lot, how can you say that more crashes happen in races?

That being said, even if the percentage is higher, how can you attribute that to the fact that it is a race as opposed to simply a large group of people riding together? It just so happens that most races are far larger groups than most training rides. More riders = more crashes.

dooodstevenn 06-13-10 08:21 PM
off topic...

fogrider 06-13-10 08:27 PM
Originally Posted by 993guy (Post 10956852)
I recommend anyone riding a used carbon frame send it to me immediately so I can dispose of it safely.
I've seen cracks in aluminum, titanium, carbon frames...and steel frames.

Issaquatch 06-13-10 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 10955701)
FWIW, I've seen more crashes on training rides than races.
Really? I've only seen one crash on a training ride. Ever. I've seen 6 crashes in the 4 crits I've raced in the last two weeks.

mike868y 06-13-10 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by Issaquatch (Post 10957784)
Really? I've only seen one crash on a training ride. Ever. I've seen 6 crashes in the 4 crits I've raced in the last two weeks.
That's why I put FWIW, there are a lot of variables. I've only seen 2 crashes in races this season (that I can remember), and I've seen probably 5-6 on training rides.

crhilton 06-13-10 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by umd (Post 10954444)
What's hard to believe about 1000 miles? OP said raced 1000 miles, not ridden.
I would assume that means rode it 1,000 miles and raced on it during that time. Not 1,000 miles of racing. Who tracks race mileage anyway?

crhilton 06-13-10 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Issaquatch (Post 10957784)
Really? I've only seen one crash on a training ride. Ever. I've seen 6 crashes in the 4 crits I've raced in the last two weeks.
I would agree. Although I seem to see worse crashes on training rides than I do in races.


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