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Who actually made your frame?

Old 07-06-10, 03:33 PM
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Who actually made your frame?

I thought this was interesting (.pdf link):

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/downl...10-08LoRes.pdf

I found out about it from this (slightly old) article:

https://allanti.com/articles/where-wa...made-pg328.htm

The chart shows where major US bicycle companies source their frames from. Perhaps not surprisingly, lots of the major brands use the same suppliers, the biggest being Taiwanese companies like Giant, Kinesis and Hodaka. This chart doesn't include foreign manufacturers, but the article shows that even extremely expensive "imported" brands like Pinarello and Orbea are selling rebadged Asian frames. For me, this makes it very clear that what you're really paying for with a brand name frame is decals and paint.

I'm sure this topic has been discussed here ad nauseum, but with this chart mind it gets pretty hard in my mind to justify spending big bucks on a "name brand" frame. There are of course advantages to buying a brand-name frame from an LBS. Mainly, it gives you comfort in knowing that if anything goes wrong, you know who to call. Also, you're sure to get a good fit (which is crucial).

However, is that comfort and convenience worth the 50-70% markup (which could easily be thousands of dollars) to get a branded frame when you can get the exact same thing for less than half the price?

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Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post

I'm sure this topic has been discussed here ad nauseum,
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Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post
For me, this makes it very clear that what you're really paying for with a brand name frame is decals and paint.
Just because two bikes are made in China doesn't mean that they are equal. A Huffy and a Trek weren't the same thing either, just because both were made in the USA. Nor were they superior to a Chinese frame just for being made in the USA.
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Old 07-06-10, 03:42 PM
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what do you mean get the exact same thing for less than half? what frame can you get at half the price that is comparable to a top tier pinarello?
you are still paying for R&D for top end frames. and if you want a country of origin frame you have to pay more.
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Old 07-06-10, 03:47 PM
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Old 07-06-10, 03:55 PM
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Keep in mind that the factory makes the frames to the designer's specs. I assume you can spec a proprietary mold, using CF to your spec (different modulus for different areas of the frame, etc)
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Old 07-06-10, 04:57 PM
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Just because a frame is made by company A doesn't mean it's the same thing as a rebadged "A" bike. Different molds, different constructions, different specs. Specialized frames
Are made by Merida, which owns a substantial stake in Specialized, but Merida and Specialized bikes are their own designs.
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Old 07-06-10, 05:02 PM
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I am shocked, SHOCKED! to hear this.
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Old 07-06-10, 05:04 PM
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From and old school bmxer, looking at some of those brand names I hope that the likes of Linn Kastan, Bob Haro, Gary Turner and others made enough cash for them and their families retire comfortably.
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Old 07-06-10, 05:39 PM
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I'm sure my Pinarello frame was built by some Italian guys in Treviso, Italy. It's a '98 model, BTW.
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Two top-of-the-range bikes (2010 model year) manufactured by Merida:





They look pretty different to me and it ain't just the paint.
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Well, you can get a cheap no name frame from China but if you have a problem with it, will there be a warranty on the frame? At least if the frame says, Specialized on it you have a warranty.

Personally, I don't care where the frame is made as long as the quality is good and my frame was made in California.
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Old 07-06-10, 05:50 PM
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Price is not always equal to value, and sometimes people have difficulty distinguishing between the two.

Just sayin'...

Mine's from France.

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Eddy made my two Merckx's and I think Joe Stack made the Masi.
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Originally Posted by Quel View Post
Just because two bikes are made in China doesn't mean that they are equal. A Huffy and a Trek weren't the same thing either, just because both were made in the USA. Nor were they superior to a Chinese frame just for being made in the USA.
And presumably each manufacturer sets its own quality control standards of what they'll accept in a finished frame. One company might reject what another would accept. For instance, look down a row of TIG-welded frames--the welds vary a lot in how well they're done.
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Dario Pegoretti made my Marcelo.
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Kevin Lau from Hsinchu made mine
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Interesting chart.

But mine was made by the best hand-picked welders that Trek has, well now its probably, used to have. Although the OCLV part still has continuity in staff.
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Best $150 I ever spent . The frame is about 10 to 11 years old; bought it off of the third owner over 1.5 years ago.
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Dario Pegoretti made my Marcelo.
I love these bikes. If I had one, I might be affraid to ride it. Dario's bikes are beautiful.
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Some bloke from Geelong called Darren made my frame.
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I'm pretty sure the 06 CF Giant was made by Giant.
The 98 Lemond OCLV was probably made by Trek.
I'm not too sure about the 01 Bianchi Campione, Reparto Course that says made in Italy. It's not one of the upper end Reparto Course bikes, so the frame may have been made in Taiwan and the bike assembled in Italy. Or it was all made in Italy.
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The Taiwanese made mine, but since Giant is a Taiwanese company I find it fitting. My Centurion was made in Japan. Who knows where all the Campagnolo stuff I put on it is made these days, though.
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