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Chase down the evil doer, or let him slide?

Old 07-09-10, 04:01 PM
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Chase down the evil doer, or let him slide?

Today I witnessed an SUV speed by us and suddenly make a right turn directly in front of my riding partners. Trying to avoid crashing directly into the SUV, one of them went down pretty hard.

My friend was slightly bleeding, visibly shaken and had a torn jersey. But he appeared basically okay. No broken bones. His bike was fine, except for some scratches.

I wanted to catch the SUV. and record his license plate, so my friend could later have the option of making an insurance claim. It would have been easy, because the SUV turned onto a small local island (Fiesta Island) that has only one road.

My friend was adamant that we not bother hunting down the SUV. But in retrospect, he probably wasn’t thinking straight and I should have insisted.

What would you have done?
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Hunted it down and called the police.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
Today I witnessed an SUV speed by us and suddenly make a right turn directly in front of my riding partners. Trying to avoid crashing directly into the SUV, one of them went down pretty hard.

My friend was slightly bleeding, visibly shaken and had a torn jersey. But he appeared basically okay. No broken bones. His bike was fine, except for some scratches.

I wanted to catch the SUV. and record his license plate, so my friend could later have the option of making an insurance claim. It would have been easy, because the SUV turned onto a small local island (Fiesta Island) that has only one road.

My friend was adamant that we not bother hunting down the SUV. But in retrospect, he probably wasn’t thinking straight and I should have insisted.

What would you have done?
I would have wanted to do what you want to do. But your friend is right. Having been in an accident that has a lot in common with yours except there were serious injuries (might top $100K), significantly more bike damage, and the cops showed up, I can tell you that following up would probably be a waste of time.

If no one made contact with the car, you'll have a tough time proving anything. I know it sucks, but at least in our neck of the woods, it's as if your partner just crashed on his own. Sounds like he was basically OK, even if rightfully shaken/irate and there was no serious damage. Just let it go.
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Should have got the license plate number and reported it. At the very least the individual driving would think twice about pulling a stunt like that again and you could potentially spare another cyclist a similar accident.
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A guy zoomed by us doing 40 in a 20 and yelled at us for not being in the bike lane even though we were. A dude behind us got his liscensce and called the police. Guy got a visit from the police at his home address and a ticket. it was fantastic
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I probably would, and in the past have, chased the car down.

However after our Memorial Day ride, I'm trying to be less confrontational.
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Originally Posted by Sylv View Post
Should have got the license plate number and reported it. At the very least the individual driving would think twice about pulling a stunt like that again and you could potentially spare another cyclist a similar accident.
^^ That ^^
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I probably would, and in the past have, chased the car down.

However after our Memorial Day ride, I'm trying to be less confrontational.
What happened on Memorial Day?
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Originally Posted by Sylv View Post
Should have got the license plate number and reported it. At the very least the individual driving would think twice about pulling a stunt like that again and you could potentially spare another cyclist a similar accident.

Just think if all people stopped reporting crimes or deciding to prosecute. Anarchy.

It's the job of the people to make a safe society.
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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
What happened on Memorial Day?
confrontation with an idiot in a pickup truck. Ended up with 3 riders stabbed, one hospitalized in serious condition.

Fortunately the guy hurt the worst is doing well now, and the perpetrator is facing felony charges.

Point is you have to be careful who you confront these days. Just getting a license plate is fine, but chasing down, confronting motorists can be dangerous.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Point is you have to be careful who you confront these days. Just getting a license plate is fine, but chasing down, confronting motorists can be dangerous.
One thing I always try to remember is the percentage of meth heads, convicted murderers, dope addicts, mentally ill, etc in the general population. Then consider the percentage of motorists that goes that extra mile to harass a cyclist. The people that really act hostile are part of a tiny elite. Presuming they are normal or rational is a serious mistake.
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Depends! If your fight skills are those of a real cyclist, wait for the cops!

https://nos.nl/video/170885-tou...ij-na-de-finish.html
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
Depends! If your fight skills are those of a real cyclist, wait for the cops!

https://nos.nl/video/170885-tou...ij-na-de-finish.html
Holy ****! Did he attack him with a wheel?!
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I've been more confrontational of late...I hesitated to post about this but what the hell:

Was riding from Toledo to Cleveland (about 115 miles door to door) and was on a lightly traveled road (SR6) near Sandusky. It was about 90 and I was dying in the heat so I decided to ditch my lid and just perch it on my right brifter. So pedal pedal pedal, listening to music in 1 ear, just left of the white line. I hear a car coming from behind so I drift over to my right. Right of the white line but not to the rumble strips, and focus on holding my line, don't get squirrelly with the crosswind. All of a sudden WHACK! and I'm looking at my bottom bracket. I look back up and there is some punk ass kid literally hanging out of the passenger side window of an SUV flicking me off with both arms. He had reached out and slapped me on the back of my head/neck. At first I was in shock, but that quickly turned into a blind all consuming rage. I was like 50 miles into my ride so I dialed it up to like 125watts and started to give chase. Luckily / unluckily they didn't make it very far. SR6 is right on Lake Erie and it was 4th of July weekend so there were a lot of people with boats, trailers, that sort of crap. Some guy was slowing down traffic big time trying to back up out of a local eatery with his boat attached, and then shortly thereafter I caught them at a red light.

Now is probably as good a time to mention as any that I was open carrying on this ride. I was using a "tactical" (i hate that term) drop down thigh holster for my (very safe to carry) HK P7. Anyway, I'm not that much of an idiot, but I am an idiot. So I blew through the intersection and on my way past I leaned my entire side into the SUV (Buick Enclave). So the SUV got a nice deep gash from my now dechromed Ultegra shifter and also lost its right side mirror to my shoulder (I'm 185 + Tarmac). I cut a little gash in my shoulder doing this, so I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone. I yell the standard "F U" as I go.

About 2 miles later a cop is waiting for me already pulled over and outside of his car flagging me down. So I pull over and put my hands on top of my head (still without helmet). He talks into his shoulder radio thing and just stands there. About 2 minutes later, another cop and the Black SUV come up and stop behind me. No one gets out of the SUV, but the new cop gets out and walks up towards me. My hands are still on the top of my head and I tell him as he approaches that I am legally carrying a firearm and ask him how he would like to proceed. He thanks me for telling him (I have a duty to do so in Ohio) and for doing so with my hands clearly away from the weapon and just to not grab at it. He goes over and talks with the other cop for a minute and comes back to me and says that the owner of the SUV wants to press charges against me for hitting his car. I tell him I understand and that if he chooses to do so I want both car occupants arrested for assault and explain how I was struck. The cop seems flabbergasted and I tell him to look at the back of my head, where I am sporting a solid welt turning into a bruise (car going at least 25 mph faster than me and someone swinging will leave a mark).

Cops goes back to the SUV and both occupants get and and follow him to where I am standing. Cop asks them if they tried to hit me. The driver immediately goes into this "I didn't know he was going to do it, I was just driving, it wasn't my fault". The cop cuts him off and says something to the affect that the other guy wouldn't be able to hit me w/o him intentionally trying too drive close. The cop then says that he could cite/arrest (can't remember) me for vandalism, but that he'd also arrest them both for assault, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and something else like passing too close. (which was why the 2nd cop was there I guess). SUV driver gets all worked up about how I "trashed" his dad's SUV and how I threatened them and pointed my gun at them (all lies). The other kid then goes a step further with this BS and says he thinks I shot the gun but couldn't tell because of the radio. The cop asks me if any of this was true and I went into my "no sir officer, I did not make even the slightest motion towards my firearm. It has remained holstered with no round in the chamber for my entire ride." Cop asks me to inspect my firearm, we go back and forth about how he would like me to give it to him. His inspection was pretty standard. Drops the (fully loaded) magazine, locks the slide back, inspects the grip, smells the gun. Then he asks to see my hands. After about 5 seconds of that he looks at the kids and tells them he doesn't appreciate them lying to him and falsely accusing me of a felony and he could arrest them for giving a false statement.

Bottom line, they wanted nothing to do with filing a report against me and the buddy told his friend "we can just tell your dad someone hit the car in the parking lot at the lake". I told the cops that I had no interest in pursuing charges against the kids. Cops lectured the kids about basically being jerks and respecting other people on the road, not lying to cops, blah blah blah. Kids leave, and the cop talks to me for a minute about how it isn't a good idea in the future for me to do that and how he doesn't want to be out of his air conditioned car for crap like this. Cop gives me back my gun and magazine and tells me to have a good day.

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Get slapped by passenger of passing car
Rip of car's mirror at red light
Cops appreciate my vigilante behavior (even if they refuse to acknowledge it)
I make it home in time for fireworks and BBQ
Profit
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Like the cops would really care. The car didn't hit anyone, no accident occurred.
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Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
One thing I always try to remember is the percentage of meth heads, convicted murderers, dope addicts, mentally ill, etc in the general population. Then consider the percentage of motorists that goes that extra mile to harass a cyclist. The people that really act hostile are part of a tiny elite. Presuming they are normal or rational is a serious mistake.

I usually shrug off the % that harass me, after all life is too short, not enough time to ride as is. Remember too they are trapped in a cage, while you are out enjoying the world.
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SWEET. I love scaring the s**t out of punks who think they're bigger than life. I have several commuting stories that do not involve firearms, but do include pansy-ass kids who drop their machismo like a dress on prom night when the threat of confrontation is presented.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
Today I witnessed an SUV speed by us and suddenly make a right turn directly in front of my riding partners. Trying to avoid crashing directly into the SUV, one of them went down pretty hard.

My friend was slightly bleeding, visibly shaken and had a torn jersey. But he appeared basically okay. No broken bones. His bike was fine, except for some scratches.

I wanted to catch the SUV. and record his license plate, so my friend could later have the option of making an insurance claim. It would have been easy, because the SUV turned onto a small local island (Fiesta Island) that has only one road.

My friend was adamant that we not bother hunting down the SUV. But in retrospect, he probably wasn’t thinking straight and I should have insisted.


What would you have done?
Unfortunate for your buddy but s/he will most likely ride again and everything in the story is superficial damage (jersey, small abrasions, etc.).

Your buddy seems to have made the right call IMO.
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Originally Posted by Guillotine007 View Post
I've been more confrontational of late...I hesitated to post about this but what the hell:

Was riding from Toledo to Cleveland (about 115 miles door to door) and was on a lightly traveled road (SR6) near Sandusky. It was about 90 and I was dying in the heat so I decided to ditch my lid and just perch it on my right brifter. So pedal pedal pedal, listening to music in 1 ear, just left of the white line. I hear a car coming from behind so I drift over to my right. Right of the white line but not to the rumble strips, and focus on holding my line, don't get squirrelly with the crosswind. All of a sudden WHACK! and I'm looking at my bottom bracket. I look back up and there is some punk ass kid literally hanging out of the passenger side window of an SUV flicking me off with both arms. He had reached out and slapped me on the back of my head/neck. At first I was in shock, but that quickly turned into a blind all consuming rage. I was like 50 miles into my ride so I dialed it up to like 125watts and started to give chase. Luckily / unluckily they didn't make it very far. SR6 is right on Lake Erie and it was 4th of July weekend so there were a lot of people with boats, trailers, that sort of crap. Some guy was slowing down traffic big time trying to back up out of a local eatery with his boat attached, and then shortly thereafter I caught them at a red light.

Now is probably as good a time to mention as any that I was open carrying on this ride. I was using a "tactical" (i hate that term) drop down thigh holster for my (very safe to carry) HK P7. Anyway, I'm not that much of an idiot, but I am an idiot. So I blew through the intersection and on my way past I leaned my entire side into the SUV (Buick Enclave). So the SUV got a nice deep gash from my now dechromed Ultegra shifter and also lost its right side mirror to my shoulder (I'm 185 + Tarmac). I cut a little gash in my shoulder doing this, so I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone. I yell the standard "F U" as I go.

About 2 miles later a cop is waiting for me already pulled over and outside of his car flagging me down. So I pull over and put my hands on top of my head (still without helmet). He talks into his shoulder radio thing and just stands there. About 2 minutes later, another cop and the Black SUV come up and stop behind me. No one gets out of the SUV, but the new cop gets out and walks up towards me. My hands are still on the top of my head and I tell him as he approaches that I am legally carrying a firearm and ask him how he would like to proceed. He thanks me for telling him (I have a duty to do so in Ohio) and for doing so with my hands clearly away from the weapon and just to not grab at it. He goes over and talks with the other cop for a minute and comes back to me and says that the owner of the SUV wants to press charges against me for hitting his car. I tell him I understand and that if he chooses to do so I want both car occupants arrested for assault and explain how I was struck. The cop seems flabbergasted and I tell him to look at the back of my head, where I am sporting a solid welt turning into a bruise (car going at least 25 mph faster than me and someone swinging will leave a mark).

Cops goes back to the SUV and both occupants get and and follow him to where I am standing. Cop asks them if they tried to hit me. The driver immediately goes into this "I didn't know he was going to do it, I was just driving, it wasn't my fault". The cop cuts him off and says something to the affect that the other guy wouldn't be able to hit me w/o him intentionally trying too drive close. The cop then says that he could cite/arrest (can't remember) me for vandalism, but that he'd also arrest them both for assault, reckless driving, leaving the scene of an accident, and something else like passing too close. (which was why the 2nd cop was there I guess). SUV driver gets all worked up about how I "trashed" his dad's SUV and how I threatened them and pointed my gun at them (all lies). The other kid then goes a step further with this BS and says he thinks I shot the gun but couldn't tell because of the radio. The cop asks me if any of this was true and I went into my "no sir officer, I did not make even the slightest motion towards my firearm. It has remained holstered with no round in the chamber for my entire ride." Cop asks me to inspect my firearm, we go back and forth about how he would like me to give it to him. His inspection was pretty standard. Drops the (fully loaded) magazine, locks the slide back, inspects the grip, smells the gun. Then he asks to see my hands. After about 5 seconds of that he looks at the kids and tells them he doesn't appreciate them lying to him and falsely accusing me of a felony and he could arrest them for giving a false statement.

Bottom line, they wanted nothing to do with filing a report against me and the buddy told his friend "we can just tell your dad someone hit the car in the parking lot at the lake". I told the cops that I had no interest in pursuing charges against the kids. Cops lectured the kids about basically being jerks and respecting other people on the road, not lying to cops, blah blah blah. Kids leave, and the cop talks to me for a minute about how it isn't a good idea in the future for me to do that and how he doesn't want to be out of his air conditioned car for crap like this. Cop gives me back my gun and magazine and tells me to have a good day.

Cliff Notes:
Get slapped by passenger of passing car
Rip of car's mirror at red light
Cops appreciate my vigilante behavior (even if they refuse to acknowledge it)
I make it home in time for fireworks and BBQ
Profit
Wow, sounds like a hell of a day.

I don't endorse what you did, but those kids could have easily killed you. Glad you got out of that without any legal problem.

I hate little ****s like that.
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I've never laughed so hard at anything on this forum before.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Banzai View Post
Just think if all people stopped reporting crimes or deciding to prosecute. Anarchy.

It's the job of the people to make a safe society.
No crime was committed in this case. Chill out dude.
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Personally I'd have chased him down and beaten the cr*p out of him if I could have caught him, or reported him to the police if all I could get was his number.
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I've never laughed so hard at anything on this forum before.
It's almost like Penthouse Letters.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
Today I witnessed an SUV speed by us and suddenly make a right turn directly in front of my riding partners.
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I wanted to catch the SUV. and record his license plate, so my friend could later have the option of making an insurance claim.
Don't think it would've done much good.

Your only choice would have been to record his license plate, look him up, and take care of him personally with varying degrees of illegal-ness.
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