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hodie21 07-19-10 08:51 AM

Where is the new RED?
 
I thought that the 2011 RED would show at this years tour.

Does this mean it will be the 2012 model year before we see an updated RED?

Psimet2001 07-19-10 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by hodie21 (Post 11137151)
I thought that the 2011 RED would show at this years tour.

Does this mean it will be the 2012 model year before we see an updated RED?

I have heard nothing from any of my channels but that doesn't necessarily mean much. If it were a 2011 we would have seen it last fall. if there is anything coming it will be 2012 and we would have most likely seen pictures of some final prototypes or production pieces at this year's tour odds are.

My $0.02 - SRAM has been REALLY busy. Not sure what they would do for Red at this point.

FlashBazbo 07-19-10 10:04 AM

New Red, same as the old Red. Long in the tooth, for sure.

I'm sure SRAM understands that its lineup is getting mighty close to its "Sell By" date. Surely something is in the works. "Bold new graphics?" Anything? SRAM?

Stealth'd 07-19-10 10:13 AM

I read on their website that the yellow coloured RED is being released in september, but that's all I've seen from them.

datlas 07-19-10 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Stealth'd (Post 11137748)
I read on their website that the yellow coloured RED is being released in september, but that's all I've seen from them.

Will it be called "Yellow??"

FlashBazbo 07-19-10 10:54 AM

Or (egad) "Livestrong Red"?

Stealth'd 07-19-10 10:54 AM

Maybe they'll compromise and name it "Orange."

All I know is that I WANT IT

FlashBazbo 07-19-10 10:57 AM

I wonder if they're having troubles digesting all the corporate acquisitions. That's usually a pretty tough process and they've been doing a lot of it.

Psimet2001 07-19-10 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by FlashBazbo (Post 11138051)
I wonder if they're having troubles digesting all the corporate acquisitions. That's usually a pretty tough process and they've been doing a lot of it.

Ah...it is, but keep in mind they have been doing it since day 1. They should have it down pat by now.

Honestly I think the they are just busier than anything right now. normally they'd have a pretty heavy marketing blitz for things that are coming up.

Keep in mind they have had a lot of stuff hit the market. In general Apex is finally making it to US distributors, and the SRAM stock Quarq is now making into distribution chains. Those are some pretty big moves - haven't seen Shimano add a line and put a power meter in their lineup this year.... :innocent:

n8tron 07-19-10 11:48 AM

What's wrong with the current Red?

gus6464 07-19-10 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by n8tron (Post 11138477)
What's wrong with the current Red?

Nothing but the new Force is almost identical to it except for zero loss on the rear for half the cost. Also Force has a BB30 crank option whereas Red does not and BB30 is increasing in popularity with bike manufacturers.

nixternal 07-19-10 12:15 PM

Recently while downtown, I tried sneaking into SRAM where they do R&D. Their security is tough, big time tough. I shook President Clinton's hand while in the Navy, but I couldn't even get to the secretary :D One of my clients is in the same location as SRAM, so I figured I would see if I could get a free groupo, didn't go as planned.

kimconyc 07-19-10 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by gus6464 (Post 11138703)
Nothing but the new Force is almost identical to it except for zero loss on the rear for half the cost. Also Force has a BB30 crank option whereas Red does not and BB30 is increasing in popularity with bike manufacturers.


Too much incorrect, even for BF.

mauimichael 07-19-10 12:44 PM

Something to compete with Di2 I'd bet.

gus6464 07-19-10 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by kimconyc (Post 11138758)
Too much incorrect, even for BF.

Ohh really so please enlighten me on what the difference is other than the zero loss and weight?

kneed2wrydemore 07-19-10 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by n8tron (Post 11138477)
What's wrong with the current Red?

FD mechanism is somewhat finicky. Requires some patience to dial in cable tension just right in order to avoid chain rub.

Shifter travel can be improved (shortened) when changing from low to high gearing.

truckstop 07-19-10 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by nixternal (Post 11138707)
Recently while downtown, I tried sneaking into SRAM where they do R&D. Their security is tough, big time tough. I shook President Clinton's hand while in the Navy, but I couldn't even get to the secretary :D One of my clients is in the same location as SRAM, so I figured I would see if I could get a free groupo, didn't go as planned.

Did you get to see their space? It's pretty 'effing cool. Got a tour when the company I used to work for did a little work for them.

paste_me 07-19-10 12:54 PM

"e-SRAM"

Electronic SRAM!

gospastic 07-19-10 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by gus6464 (Post 11138963)
Ohh really so please enlighten me on what the difference is other than the zero loss and weight?

there is a bb30 RED option.

kimconyc 07-19-10 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by gus6464 (Post 11138963)
Ohh really so please enlighten me on what the difference is other than the zero loss and weight?


Originally Posted by gus6464 (Post 11138703)
Nothing but the new Force is almost identical to it except for zero loss on the rear for half the cost. Also Force has a BB30 crank option whereas Red does not and BB30 is increasing in popularity with bike manufacturers.

Ceramic pulleys, ceramic BB, Red also has a BB30 crank.





































Incorrect.

Dolamite02 07-19-10 01:39 PM

The yellow colored RED that's on the tour now is currently a special edition. It was produced for all the winners of the previous tours that are currently running Sram Red on their bikes. I've spotted it on a few folks' bikes on the tour so far.

kimconyc 07-19-10 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Dolamite02 (Post 11139349)
The yellow colored RED that's on the tour now is currently a special edition. It was produced for all the winners of the previous tours that are currently running Sram Red on their bikes. I've spotted it on a few folks' bikes on the tour so far.

It's on previous TdF winners' bikes. SRAM apparently will be selling them this Fall as special edition (might be like the "red" Campy Record 10).

nixternal 07-19-10 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by truckstop (Post 11139021)
Did you get to see their space? It's pretty 'effing cool. Got a tour when the company I used to work for did a little work for them.

No I didn't unfortunately. The security guard was a bit bigger than I and was far more serious than any other person I have come across in his position. I accidentally went into a section at an undisclosed location in DC without the issues this guy gave me :) I will talk with someone from there and see if I can get a tour some day. I think Psimet may have already had that tour, so maybe he knows someone.

FlashBazbo 07-19-10 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Dolamite02 (Post 11139349)
The yellow colored RED that's on the tour now is currently a special edition. It was produced for all the winners of the previous tours that are currently running Sram Red on their bikes. I've spotted it on a few folks' bikes on the tour so far.

That would be . . . three?

gus6464 07-19-10 03:01 PM

Rival and Force have ceramic BB options. Ceramic pulleys can be added to any other SRAM RD. I was wrong about the BB30 Red crank but Red has one exclusive thing compared to Force which is Zero Loss on the rear shifter. So how is my original statement that Force is almost identical to Red not true? Key work being almost.


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