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Should I abandon my Speedplays?

Old 07-24-10, 11:48 AM
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Should I abandon my Speedplays?

This morning in a painful off I managed to break the end off one of my Zeros and since it looks like I need to shop for pedals again, I've been considering my options. Things I like about my Speedplays are:

- quick, no-look clip-ins - I'm never the guy fumbling with his pedal
- unrestricted, adjustable float
- low weight

On the other hand, the cleats and the pedals are expensive and you need to carry cleat covers to avoid excessive wear or fouling. I've been using my current cleats for 3000 miles and they now have side to side rocking play in them and squeak quite a bit, suggesting a replacement was due anyway.

Any thoughts? SPD-SLs look ok but they're a fair bit heavier and I'm concerned that they might be harder on my knees as I have slightly wild heels - do they force your feet to centre? What about other options?

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Old 07-24-10, 12:24 PM
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Speedplays are made by the devil. Get rid of them, ASAP!

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For the SPD-SL's you'll still have the cleat wear issues. I have Kool Kovers cleat covers for that purpose.
As for the float you have two options for cleats, one which has a little (6deg. I think) and another that has none. Cleats are about $20.
For clipping in, even after a couple years I still have to look down to get the cleat "lip" in the pedal. I've also fallen a couple times because I pressed down without having the lip in. But after clipping in, the power transfer is solid. I haven't tried anything else because I'm happy with them.
I've found a big difference between my entry level Shimano PD-R540 SPD-SL pedals and my Dura Ace SPD-SL pedals on my #1 bike. The bearings on the Dura Ace are much better, and the DA falls under it's own weight a lot faster. Otherwise the overall clipped in feeling is the same.
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Do the SPD-SLs feel like they force your feet to the centre? I've sort of felt that with my SPDs, and never with my Speedplays.
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On SPD-SL's it's not really float, it's play in the front of the cleat. So you have room to 'float', but you are pushing against the spring in the rear - so yes, it is trying to recenter your foot. However, I'm a power guy, so I have the release tension turned all the way up, which makes the spring push back even harder. At a lower setting, it may not be as much of an issue. Ask your shop if they have a pair you can try out. While I have Ultegra pedals and love them, i'd probably go with Look Keo Max if I had the choice to make over again. But the recentering is pretty much the same. Time does have a bit more actual float, but in our experience there have been cleat durability issues.

As an aside, when comparing weight, make sure to take into account the weight of the entire system (pedal, cleat, hardware, and 3 hole adapter - if necessary).
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The non-conformist's Speedplay is the BeBop pedal. Hard to find, but a couple of folks around here who have them rave about them. edit - The cleat is suppsed to be more durable than most, and it's supposed to have excellent mud shedding capabilities.

JB

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I bought 2 sets of Speedplay Zero's on both my road bikes last year since I heard how great they were. I used them for no more than a month as I e-bay them off and went back to my reliable SPD-SL. I reget making that change to the Speedplays since I seen all the buzz about them.
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Originally Posted by MajorMantra View Post
This morning in a painful off I managed to break the end off one of my Zeros and since it looks like I need to shop for pedals again, I've been considering my options. Things I like about my Speedplays are:

- quick, no-look clip-ins - I'm never the guy fumbling with his pedal
- unrestricted, adjustable float
- low weight

On the other hand, the cleats and the pedals are expensive and you need to carry cleat covers to avoid excessive wear or fouling. I've been using my current cleats for 3000 miles and they now have side to side rocking play in them and squeak quite a bit, suggesting a replacement was due anyway.

Any thoughts? SPD-SLs look ok but they're a fair bit heavier and I'm concerned that they might be harder on my knees as I have slightly wild heels - do they force your feet to centre? What about other options?
what happened? what 'broke off'?

FYI, I've never worn cleat covers and fouled them once. I don't walk a ton in them, but wear rate is such that they should last three or four years before I have to replace the cleat.
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I blame myself for this stupid thread.


I really should have killed him.
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Originally Posted by speedemon View Post
I bought 2 sets of Speedplay Zero's on both my road bikes last year since I heard how great they were. I used them for no more than a month as I e-bay them off and went back to my reliable SPD-SL. I reget making that change to the Speedplays since I seen all the buzz about them.

What problems did you have with them?
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Old 07-24-10, 08:27 PM
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what broke exactly?
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what is "A painful off"?

Abandon them immediately and send them to me. I never have painful offs.
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"FYI, I've never worn cleat covers and fouled them once. I don't walk a ton in them, but wear rate is such that they should last three or four years before I have to replace the cleat. "


I started using cafe covers this year, especially on wet rides. they work...they'll keep your cleats clean...but you have to be careful not to leave the covers in the mud!
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Old 07-24-10, 10:28 PM
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Bebops all the way. I have a like new pair of stainless listed on ebay right now. $110. Also run them on both my road bikes. 'Bout 5k miles on 1 pr. 0 play and the seals still have a lot of discernible drag.
you can also walk in the cleats.
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WARNING: GORE TO FOLLOW


Originally Posted by jdott View Post
On SPD-SL's it's not really float, it's play in the front of the cleat. So you have room to 'float', but you are pushing against the spring in the rear - so yes, it is trying to recenter your foot.
That's what I was afraid of - it's one feature I don't like of my regular SPDs. Are Speedplays the only pedals with true float?

Originally Posted by jonathanb715 View Post
The non-conformist's Speedplay is the BeBop pedal. Hard to find, but a couple of folks around here who have them rave about them. edit - The cleat is suppsed to be more durable than most, and it's supposed to have excellent mud shedding capabilities.

JB
Bebops look awful for clipping out and they don't have any float at all do they?

Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
what happened? what 'broke off'?
The whole end of the pedal was ground off. It still works but has about 2mm of side to side play and the bearings feel a little rough. It's shot:



Originally Posted by backatit View Post
what is "A painful off"?
It's British for when you hit tarmac at 25mph:








By the way, I rode 15 miles home like this. 24 hours later my elbow is still seeping - here's what it looked like yesterday evening:




Oh and the strange lump on my shoulder is another bandage that's coming loose.

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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I blame myself for this stupid thread.


I really should have killed him.
I assumed you were somehow responsible for the bump that took me down. I was at the back of a chaingang (rotating paceline) and hit said bump (possibly a drain cover) which jolted my hands off the bars, probably when I was switching hand positions. To add insult to injury I slid to a halt in a large puddle of run-off from a car wash.

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The new Time i-clic look interesting with respect to clipping in quickly and easily, and their float and weight are pretty good. You might want to consider them. But, if you liked them enough before the crash, maybe sticking with them is a good option.
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Originally Posted by MajorMantra View Post

Bebops look awful for clipping out and they don't have any float at all do they?


They have up to 20 degrees of float. They are supposed to be very easy to clip in and out of - they are sold as mountain bike pedals, which can put a premium on easily clipping in and out. The angle at which you clip out is even adjustable. The only goofy thing is you need an adapter to use them with a 3 hole road shoe.

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PS - Shimano and Look road pedals are not self centering. the float is primarily at the back of the cleat, though - the heel pivots.
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You need to eat a cheeseburger.
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Originally Posted by jonathanb715 View Post
and it's supposed to have excellent mud shedding capabilities.
Top concern on a road bike...
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Originally Posted by jonathanb715 View Post
They have up to 20 degrees of float. They are supposed to be very easy to clip in and out of - they are sold as mountain bike pedals, which can put a premium on easily clipping in and out. The angle at which you clip out is even adjustable. The only goofy thing is you need an adapter to use them with a 3 hole road shoe.

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PS - Shimano and Look road pedals are not self centering. the float is primarily at the back of the cleat, though - the heel pivots.
Oops, I think I was mixing up Bebops with another pedal. Still, they just don't appeal to me all that much - I'm leery of a pedal system that's so relatively unpopular and from looking at the instructions I can't see how they'd give as stiff a platform as more conventional road pedals (or Speedplays).

Interesting that you say that about Shimanos and Looks. I was under the impression that all the classic road pedal styles had some tendency to centre themselves.
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You need to eat a cheeseburger.
I challenge you to a hillclimb.
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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
The new Time i-clic look interesting with respect to clipping in quickly and easily, and their float and weight are pretty good. You might want to consider them. But, if you liked them enough before the crash, maybe sticking with them is a good option.
I was looking at the i-clics - they're certainly tempting. Some people have accused them of having fragile cleats but I've not found enough reviews to draw a conclusion one way or the other.
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That's weird - the third image in my post above (my leg) is refusing to display in FF, yet it shows up fine in IE - can you guys see it?

EDIT: Nevermind, seem to fixed it.

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Originally Posted by MajorMantra View Post
Oops, I think I was mixing up Bebops with another pedal. Still, they just don't appeal to me all that much - I'm leery of a pedal system that's so relatively unpopular and from looking at the instructions I can't see how they'd give as stiff a platform as more conventional road pedals (or Speedplays).

Interesting that you say that about Shimanos and Looks. I was under the impression that all the classic road pedal styles had some tendency to centre themselves.
I use Look Keos and there's no spring or anything to create a self centering force. You can ride at whatever angle you want, within the limits of the float created by the pedal/cleat interface.

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