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I just went to look at the gear ratio for the upcoming ultegra 10 and I'll I can say is it's wortless.

All they did was add another gear in the same gear cluster range. The widest you can still get is 12-27.

My question is where is the 11-27 cassette or 12-30 cassette? Why not add another gear to broaden the range. The damn 9 speed cassettes are already spaced close enough together!!!!!!

More useful to me would be a 11-25 cassette. Right now I'm using a 11-23 cassette. All they had to do was place a 25 tooth on the end of the 11-23 cassette.

Trust me 11-23 is already spaced close enough.

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I currently run a 9sp 12-27 and personally I would welcome the 16. I admit that sometimes I long for that 11 but in general, I'd much rather have a 16 with the current layout.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
I just went to look at the gear ratio for the upcoming ultegra 10 and I'll I can say is it's wortless.

All they did was add another gear in the same gear cluster range. The widest you can still get is 12-27.

My question is where is the 11-27 cassette or 12-29 cassette. Why not add another gear to broaden the range. The damn 9 speed cassettes are already spaced close enough together!!!!!!

g'day,

judging by your last few threads, it appears you have an unhealthy obsession with big gear ratios (s'pecially for someone who titles himself 53-11 LOL)...now, here's what you do...........put a mountain bike cassette on there or buy a recumbent & get about 40 gears, that should satify you!

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It's not the 11 so much that I'd miss so much, but a 30 low gear would be nice with a double sometimes.\

Doubles would be popular again if you could get a 12-30 cassette.

Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
Yes. I and many others ride back-to-back hilly centuries on doubles.
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What brand is that crankset on the aegis? I like it.

I use a 11-23 cassette right now, but I wish it was a 11-25.

I can't use the 11-23 on centuries

I guess 39-30 is too low.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Doubles would be popular again if you could get a 12-30 cassette.

Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
g'day,

I'm not sure of the topography where you ride, however I've never had a triple, never will. There's no hills in this country that can't be climbed with a double.( At present I'm doing a century every weekend. seeking out long climbs of 8%. we regularly have climbs of 2 hours at 7 to 8% grade. I can't see any reason for a triple in this country

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I live in NOrthern california. THere is a century ride through the santa cruz mountains I want to do, but I need lower gears for that one.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
Well.........yeah. Lot's of people including myself have done it only with a double.... including very hilly centuries.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
What brand is that crankset on the aegis? I like it.
It's an FSA Carbon Pro. I don't think it's made anymore. FSA has the nicer Carbon Pro Team and Superlight cranksets now.


Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
I use a 11-23 cassette right now, but I wish it was a 11-25.

I can't use the 11-23 on centuries

I guess 39-30 is too low.
I don't think I'd survive with an 11-23 for the kind of terrain around here but I might be okay with a 25 low gear. I do like having that 27 when I really need it though. Some others resort to triples instead but I've found a 39/53, 12-27 combo works pretty well for me right now.
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Hilly I'm sure. But mountainous? No way!!!!

I live in Northern California and there are some mountainous centuries out there that cannot be tackled with 39-23 gears even by somebody of my physical stature.
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Sheldon Brown's High and Wide (11-28) and Century Special (13-30) 9sp cassettes come to mind.

Or the IRD 12-28 10sp cassette http://harriscyclery.net/site/itemdetails.cfm?ID=1558
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THe high and wide in 10 speed would be perfect. 11-28 in 10 speed would be very nice. I just wish the factory could do this.

I didn't see that 12-28 IRD one either. But the price $120....ouch!!!!!
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Hilly I'm sure. But mountainous? No way!!!!

I live in Northern California and there are some mountainous centuries out there that cannot be tackled with 39-23 gears even by somebody of my physical stature.
Well, Seattle and western Washington isn't exactly known for being flat either.
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One can always wish, but I would guess the factories response would be that if you want both a 53-11 top gear and low climbing gears you should get the Dura-Ace 10sp Triple. That's really what it's for.
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I know....I'm switching a close ratio triple of my own invention, but I would be nicer to have the cassette gear ratios spaced farther do I can space my chain ring ratios closer.

Wide ratio chainrings and closer ratio cassettes don't make as much sense to me as medium ratio chain rings and medium ratio cassettes. In this case your shifting would feel more natural as you would never have to make a huge jump in gear spacing.

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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
I understand what you mean. In January on a 33º/91F day I did the Alpine Classic in Victoria. A 200km ride with almost 4000m (13,000f) of climbing. On the first climb I saw a lot of guys with triples and thought they were never going to need them. How wrong was I. After 140km came the final climb of the day. A relatively easy gradient of 4.8% but 21km long. By the base I was shagged, and was wishing for lower gears for the next 2 hours. On a normal day this mountain isn’t that hard, for a fit cyclist. It just depends on how far you have already ridden before the base. I still wouldn’t get a triple, but I would consider an FSA compact crank 50/34 with a 12-25 cassette.

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Well then, as stated by another poster, install a mountain cassette which will give you the wider spread you're looking for.
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Will it index with 9 speed STI? That might be a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Dutchy
I understand what you mean. In January on a 33º/91F day I did the Alpine Classic in Victoria. A 200km ride with almost 4000m (13,000f) of climbing. On the first climb I saw a lot of guys with triples and thought they were never going to need them. How wrong was I. After 140km came the final climb of the day. A relatively easy gradient of 4.8% but 21km long. By the base I was shagged, and was wishing for lower gears for the next 2 hours. On a normal day this mountain isn’t that hard, for a fit cyclist. It just depends on how far you have already ridden before the base. I still wouldn’t get a triple, but I would consider an FSA compact crank 50/34 with a 12-25 cassette.

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g'day dutchy,

oh you fibber!.....the alpine classic this year was more like 38 deg!...I remember coming up Tawonga (coming back).....all that exposed rock, very little cover from the trees...HRM says 40 deg (it obviously was affected by the reflection off the rock & road)...thought I was gunna die....but you still don't need a triple for Buffalo....39-25 is plenty for a reasonably fit 'roadie'......so you entered the Alpine again?. I got my 'preferential entry' thing last week.....I swore i was never gunna do it again, but i'm back for another attempt at sub 9 hours,

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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Will it index with 9 speed STI? That might be a good idea.
Most definitely. Make sure your derailleur can handle the largest cog.
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The good thing NOw is I know the spacers are the same on mtn cassette. Thank you

Just for everybody else's info a stock long road derailleur can only handle a 30T (which I won't use anyway). wrap capacity of 37T won't be a problem with my closer ratio chainrings.54-36+18 teeth. I can still handle 19 teeth spread on the cassette....which would theoretically let me run a 11-30 if I wanted to,
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Cogs spacing and indexing is the same for all Shimano 9speed. A short cage DA derailleur is not supposed to work with a cog bigger than 27t but it will you don't get silly and go 53-30 or 30-11
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Yeah, I'll be using a long cage for the extra teeth capacity....37 vs. 29(for short cage). The long cage parallelogram can handle 30T I'm told.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
It's not the 11 so much that I'd miss so much, but a 30 low gear would be nice with a double sometimes.\

Doubles would be popular again if you could get a 12-30 cassette.

Can you imagine somebody on a century ride with a double!!!!
Why would someone that needs an 11 also need a 30? Seems to make no sense. Lotta folks ride centuries whth doubles.
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