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Old 08-19-10, 09:48 AM
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2009 Trek Madone

I was wondering if I could get some of the "male" populations take on this bike. I want to get my husband a road bike as I have taken up the sport. Problem we have with him is that he is 6'5" tall and 215lbs. He's an ex professional athlete so when he takes up a new sport he usually gets all into it and competes at some level. For the last couple months I have heard him talk about doing an ironman next year (He's running the boston marathon in April). I have seen him on bike sites/craigslist looking at bikes and we have gone to a couple LBS together as well. Nothing ever in his size. Knowing him, I know he would want something a little more fancier than my Felt F70 because he is the "athlete" in the house (male ego.. haha). Any idea if this is a good deal or maybe I should steer him in another direction? He gets frustrated cause not a lot of places carry a 62cm or 64cm frame for him to even sit on but a few have told us that once we find one we should snatch it up and get fitted accordingly. Any help would be appreciated Thanks guys!

Link to ad on CL for Trek Madone:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/1905932315.html
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doesn't look so bad. maybe consider some stronger wheels with a higher spoke count. and that's an expensive paint job, so the price will be a little higher because of it.
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It doens't say which Madone it is. Madones models are from 4.5 ($2100) up to 6.9 ($7,000 plus). The difference in price between these models is significant. For a used bike to be $3100 it would have the be the very high end one.

EDIT - I would think that for that much money for a used bike, you'd get Dura-Ace parts.

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How many miles on the bike? While finding a size might be difficult, if you're buying used a Trek Madone is usually not a great way to go since everyone (particularly those who aren't bike-savvy) wants a Trek, so they tend to hold up their value relatively well. If you're buying used, then you may want something that doesn't retain value as well. The bike is $3100, and Ultegra SL is last generation (not a bad thing, but something I would factor into pricing). One thing I will say is that if you're buying a Madone, try to get one built in the US (like the one you linked), there's something unique about those as you now have to go to the 6-Series to get a US made Trek.

I also agree that the paint job is also adding to the price.

Not sure about sizing but for a bit over $2k you can probably pre-order a 2011 Cannondale SuperSix with 5700 105. Cheaper than the Trek and for the 2010 model it shows a 63 being available. Granted it will probably be close to MSRP, but the 2010 model was listing at over $3700 for Ultegra according to Cannondale's site. They've dropped the Six from their lineup and have slashed prices heavily on the SuperSix for 2011.

If you're spending or considering spending a few thousand, then why not just order something brand new, and get a warranty?
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This is a real sexy bike. My LBS has one like this in stock however they have been unable to sell it, i think they have had it in stock for over a year. My guess is that it only appeals to a small group...
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This is a real sexy bike. My LBS has one like this in stock however they have been unable to sell it, i think they have had it in stock for over a year. My guess is that it only appeals to a small group...
So it's not a custom Project One bike but rather a "stock" color? I think that that takes the price down another notch.
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Are you sure the bike will fit? Has he tried a Trek in the same size? That is alot of $ to find out the bike isn't the right size. Maybe you should considering getting a fitting done prior to purchasing a bike.
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Couple things:

1) That is definitely a 2009 5 Series Madone: you can tell by the rear dropout with the RDH (replaceable derailleur hanger) and it has the "OCVL Black" dot.
2) That is a stock P1 paint job, an expensive one, but a stock one none-the-less. To me unless you like it, it detracts from the value.
3) That bike looks barely ridden. Hell the pedals don't even have any scuffs on them.
4) It is the Ultegra SL group, which is an excellent group, although not the most recent 6700, with hidden cables.
5) It has a nice outfit/kit, seems the owner spec'd the more expensive stuff, EXCEPT FOR THE WHEELS, which are basic and serviceable, but not very sexy.
6) It has the extended seat mast cap, which is great if your husband needs that extra height.
7) It is the Performance and not Pro fit on the frame, so a bit easier on his back.
8) It has a nice computer and presumably nice water bottle cages (those I am not familiar with, other than they look expensive).

New as outfit that would retail in the low to mid $4k range, (and the pedals, computer and cages would add another ~$400)

The real downside to this is that you are not getting Trek's warranties (there are several). The warranty is only good to the original owner. Don't know how important that is to you, but anyone spending that kind of money on an essentially new bike, I think would want a warranty. But that is entirely up to you.

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I'm guessing you want to surprise him with this gift. I would not surprise him with a used bike that you can not return. I'd go for a new bike from an LBS with the understanding that it can be exchanged/returned if not the right fit. IMHO, that custom paint job detracts from the price, and does not add to it. Same for the strange decals.
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Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
So it's not a custom Project One bike but rather a "stock" color? I think that that takes the price down another notch.
I think you can call it either way: It is one of the "stock" P1 paints that are not a free option, indeed that is one of the more expensive ones. But unlike mixing and matching the colors of the base and logos, it is not "custom" in the sense that it is one of kind.
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I would take him to your Felt dealer and say "Surprise!!! You have $<your budget number> to get kitted up". Cycling can cost more than the bike itself.
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Have to say it always seems like there's a surplus of large frame bikes around cause the dealers get them and they sell slower.

That Madone is really nice with SRAM and better wheels and that price is a little too high IMO. I say pass!
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Yes I am trying to surprise him with a gift for our anniversary which is next month. Thank you Zac for the great rundown. I didn't know there was SO MUCH to take into consideration about a bike. I figured a 62cm is a 62cm but I guess every company is different in how they approach it and in there design. This may be a stupid question but how does one go by getting a "fitting done" at an LBS if they don't have any 62 or 64 in stock? On that note will a 62 in a Trek be similar to a 62 in a Cannondale, Felt or whatever?

Intence... where are you getting your info on the Cannondale 2011 SuperSix lineup? I did a search online and could only find stuff on 2010 bikes. Thanks for the advice on Cannondale (one of few companies making larger frames).
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Originally Posted by xqwisit View Post
Yes I am trying to surprise him with a gift for our anniversary which is next month. Thank you Zac for the great rundown. I didn't know there was SO MUCH to take into consideration about a bike. I figured a 62cm is a 62cm but I guess every company is different in how they approach it and in there design. This may be a stupid question but how does one go by getting a "fitting done" at an LBS if they don't have any 62 or 64 in stock? On that note will a 62 in a Trek be similar to a 62 in a Cannondale, Felt or whatever?

Intence... where are you getting your info on the Cannondale 2011 SuperSix lineup? I did a search online and could only find stuff on 2010 bikes. Thanks for the advice on Cannondale (one of few companies making larger frames).
A general fit can be done to determine size by measuring body parts (inseam, reach, etc). 62 cm bikes are all the same, but geometry for each can make the difference between a comfortable ride and a complete and utter nightmare. It's best to understand the purpose of the bike. Will he be racing? Just for recreational riding? A bit of both? It's extremely difficult to buy a bike for someone, especially if you don't have extensive knowledge of the subject matter. If I were you, I'd check with your Local Bike Shop and see what their return policy is. I wouldn't suggest buying something off craigslist as you might get stuck with a bike that isn't comfortable. Also, I've gotten really screwed off craigslist before (the jackass hid a dent with a mounted pump), so I'd steer clear of that.

Hope this helps.
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Am I the only one who likes the paint? The only problem is you can't pass more than a handful of other riders...
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Originally Posted by xqwisit View Post
Yes I am trying to surprise him with a gift for our anniversary which is next month. Thank you Zac for the great rundown. I didn't know there was SO MUCH to take into consideration about a bike. I figured a 62cm is a 62cm but I guess every company is different in how they approach it and in there design. This may be a stupid question but how does one go by getting a "fitting done" at an LBS if they don't have any 62 or 64 in stock? On that note will a 62 in a Trek be similar to a 62 in a Cannondale, Felt or whatever?

Intence... where are you getting your info on the Cannondale 2011 SuperSix lineup? I did a search online and could only find stuff on 2010 bikes. Thanks for the advice on Cannondale (one of few companies making larger frames).
Across different makes, a 62cm will be similar, but not the same.

I know wrapping up a shiny bike under the birthday tree would be an awesome surprise, but I suspect your husband already knows you are an awesome wife!

I would heed the advice proffered by others here and just take him out to dinner and stop by your LBS on your way home...or better yet, prearrange it with your LBS and pack a picnic lunch while he gets fitted for a bike that he gets to pick out, all the while the bill goes on your CC.

If you need something to give him, you can have some fun with giving him a water bottle, with the store's logo on it and a note inside (I'm sure you can find something really cool to do)

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Good ideas. Or, wrap a bike model or something of that sort for the gift announcement. Does zac get an autograph for his effective ideas?
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Thanks a bunch guys!! I will heed your advice and try to call a few LBS's that we haven't frequented already and see if they have any 62 or 64 size bikes in stock so that hubby can at least sit on one and go from there. Do you guys have any suggestions on bikes that may be available in the two sizes and trying to keep the price tag under $3K? I know Trek and Cannondale but I'm sure there are others that make this size as well. Thanks again guys, and yes I can sign Zac's name on the anniversary card but that may start a whole different conversation as to who is zac? how do you know him? where is he from etc... haha
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A 61 compact might fit him fine. Don't get stuck on a number.
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Originally Posted by xqwisit View Post
Yes I am trying to surprise him with a gift for our anniversary which is next month. Thank you Zac for the great rundown. I didn't know there was SO MUCH to take into consideration about a bike. I figured a 62cm is a 62cm but I guess every company is different in how they approach it and in there design. This may be a stupid question but how does one go by getting a "fitting done" at an LBS if they don't have any 62 or 64 in stock? On that note will a 62 in a Trek be similar to a 62 in a Cannondale, Felt or whatever?

Intence... where are you getting your info on the Cannondale 2011 SuperSix lineup? I did a search online and could only find stuff on 2010 bikes. Thanks for the advice on Cannondale (one of few companies making larger frames).
I've read it on this forums as well as on the Cannondale forum in RoadBikeReview. Your Cannondale dealer should already have the printed catalog + pricing. I've also read that the first run will be of size 54 and up, with the next run being of the smaller sizes. I guess my main point was that while the Trek isn't a horrible deal, if you're spending that much you can get something very similar for a shop. A good shop should do a basic fitting and give you a discount on any accessories you buy along with the bike. As others mentioned you can even explain your predicament, and so long as he hasn't ridden it, let you return for store credit and order something else. IMO, used Trek's tend to be a bit overprice, especially when you consider that there isn't a warranty. Rather spend $2k-3k on something brand new with a warranty, especially for his first road bike.

If he likes the SuperSix, i'm sure he can pre-order it. IMO it's a nice deal since Cannondale has this habit of making last generation's top-end frame, this generation's mid-level and so on. Lots of bang for the buck, and even though it's not the hi-mod version (which is what the pros used) it's the same frame with a different grade of carbon. Also check out your local Trek dealers, they may have 2010s on clearance, or just call around and see what they have in stock.

Once he knows you're buying him a bike, use one of the many online fit calculators to get an idea of what size you need. Remember to focus on top-tube length (so you'll have to look at the geometry charts, and some manufacturers may change the way they publish sizing from one year to another, so if you're looking at an '09 Fuji for example, make sure you look at the '09 geometry). Most bikes of the same size will have similar top-tube legnths, but not always, one manufacturers 62 may fit like another manufacturers 60 and so on.
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What an exhausting weekend. The hubby and I went to 6 different LBS in our area and ONLY 1 shop had a frame he could sit on and ride. Unfortunately, it was a VERY entry level Specialized Allez (spelling?). We even went 65 miles out of our way to go to an LBS that carries one of the largest inventories and nothing. Does one just pick a bike brand they like the look of and just order the bike if you can't find anything in your size? One would think there would be bike sizes out there that these shops should stock, no? I see all different shapes and sizes of individuals on thier bikes so my husband being 6'6" tall can't be that uncommon. One thing we did decide upon our excursion to all these shops yesterday is that instead of spending the money I wanted we are going to cut it in half and get him used to the sport and then once he finishes Boston marathon and gears up for his ironman he will have a better understanding of what he wants in a bike (again this may be easier or may be tougher as I'm sure he won't be able to go sit on something). We found a used Scott CR1 Pro at one of the shops who was selling it for one of their sponsored riders. It was a year 2007 and was either a 61cm or 62cm. The owner of the shop said with some adjustment they may be able to make it fit. It almost looked brand new to me and was outfitted with full Shimano Ultegra and Shimao wheels. They were asking $1400... should we pull the trigger? Thanks for all your help guys. Hubby gets frustrated with this kind of stuff (same with shopping for jeans ... haha) when he can't find his size as he knows there are others taller than him and bigger and choices are limited. They always try to custom make a suit or order something without trying it on etc... Glad I don't have that problem...
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We found a used Scott CR1 Pro at one of the shops who was selling it for one of their sponsored riders.
Personally, I'd be a little wary of buying a bike that had been ridden by a sponsored rider. While it's probably been taken care of nicely, you can bet that it's got a lot of wear and tear on it. I'd be interested in hearing other's opinions on this, though.

You might also post something in the "Clyde" section of Bike Forums. Since your husband is 6'6", he qualifies as a Clydesdale.

And good luck, and keep us posted. All of us are reading this and thinking "what a lucky guy!".

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I'm wary of the "make it fit" thing. My LBS tried to do that, and it was like pushing a square peg into a round hole. And also what Charles said about a bike that's been used by a sponsored rider.
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