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Old 08-20-10, 06:12 PM
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More Wasted Bandwidth...Thoughts on a Ebay "Toto Apache" Full Shimano Group..

I'm spending way too much time looking into this and probably should just visit my LBS but i thought I'd try to get some opinions on something like this for a beginner. I don't know if I'd even like the whole biking thing... I like getting my cardio in on my LeMond Revmaster Pro (got a killer deal or else I wouldn't even try coughing up the $$ on one) and have since been using it to develop a pedal stroke and doing cardio... Maybe I'll actually like getting outdoors with this and doing some climbs/ one day events / tours...

The full shimano components seems like what I'm paying for here.. IDK.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...RK:MESINDXX:IT

Do I do a cheaper new bike and be happy atleast it's BRAND NEW... or do I go for a cheaper used bike from the 80s / 90s and take it for a tune-up and see if this biking things is my cup of tea? Decisions Decisions... I'll probably end up blowing $1200 on a bike in the end

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Old 08-20-10, 06:25 PM
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Find a quality used bike.
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Advantage: Pro looking and fun riding"

I say pull the trigger
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Old 08-20-10, 06:53 PM
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LOL, reaching for the CC as I type. :facepalm:

I have a couple of bikes in my lists but I'm just basing my fit from reading articles and taking measurements. I know each bike is different so I'm hesitant to pull the trigger on any used bike over ebay, I'll probably spend some time at a BS getting used to some brands if I'm going to go through with this.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...RK:MESINDXX:IT

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...RK:MESINDXX:IT

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...RK:MESINDXX:IT

this is probably out of budget:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...RK:MESINDXX:IT

Sorry for this, I know these threads probably pop up once a week if not more around here... haha. They're always the same but each newbie has to do it - it seems.
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OP looks terrible. Hit up craigslist.
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That bike will ride awfully. Bottom of the barrel components and an aluminum fork... ouch.

I have gotten several MUCH nicer bikes from Craigslist for less than that. A decent 80's/90's steel roady will be a lot more comfortable and have nicer gear.
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Old 08-20-10, 08:58 PM
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I wouldn't mind something like this, forgive me for my ignorance but is this considered decent? (It's very clean looking). Might be too expensive for it's age?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb...909901685.html

I noticed with vintage bikes they have these horrible looking seats that are always pointing up, is that something that can be adjusted/replaced with a new seat?

This just popped up, maybe worth it if I haggle down to $500? Looks like it's at a pawn shop. It's porbably the angle of the picture but the rear wheel looks smaller than the front:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...910387460.html

This looks nice but IDK, it's pricey..

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb...910462028.html

Maybe I could get this for $500, it looks like it's been beat though. It doesn't come with pedals so no test rides? Maybe I can bring a set and install 'em when looking at it:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...904761298.html

Nishiki?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...897183555.html

This looks nice but I think I need a 56cm atleast, 57cm to be perfect at 5'10" and 33" inseam with a bike that's a 32" stand over height. (Haven't measured reach or upper torso) Old Trek 1000:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...909670374.html

Carbon Fiber rear triangle and front fork really make this stand-out at $500, however the stem I think isn't adjustable or replaceable so I'm stuck with whatever reach I get with this Schwinn CF 1000. Plus the stand over height will leave me with 3" of clearance to the top tube to inseam instead of the recommended 1"...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/700c-Mens-...d-Bike/5585800

Last but not least, Bicycling Magazine's Best Beginner Bike 2 Years in a Row for $500 (possibly negotiable) Trek 1000:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...898979389.html

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Old 08-21-10, 12:39 AM
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random thoughts/opinions:

that first univega isn't worth more than $100.

i'm 5'11" and ride a 55 or 56 cm frame

the last trek looks ok but looks smaller than a 56 more like a 52

forget about standover height as any sort of reasonable method of properly fitting a bicycle. proper fit is EVERYTHING in a bike. since you are new at this it would be much better for you to visit a decent shop and to insure that you bike a bike of the proper size even if it costs more money and/or has a lower spec of parts
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think visiting a LBS would be best. I'm usually out there looking for the best deal but something like this I can understand paying a little more.
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i'm assuming you are in l.a. since you are posting ads from l.a. craigslist.

post whatever bikes you try at a shop here so we can see what you are interested in.

take lots of test rides

it would suck to buy a bike that looks like a good deal at first but isn't due to wrong size, or an older out of date bike or has unseen condition issues. when you are a bit more experienced then it will be easier buy something from ebay or craigslist without making a mistake, without that knowledge it's more of a crapshoot. you might luck into a deal but you might also buy something used that you might have been able to buy new for a similar price
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Perfectly makes sense about buying something while knowing close to nothing about it.


Awesome, I was hoping I could post the bikes I'm interested in here for the pros to comment on.

Yea I'm from the LA area. I think I'm gonna hit up Performance Bike today after work and maybe talk to somebody there about sizing. I'll hit up the LBS also to see what they have, maybe they'll have something used.

I wonder if I really get into this and study it for a couple weeks, if I would be able to correctly size myself? Or is it something that's just best to leave to a pro?

Comfort is going to be my utmost priority being so new to riding, I know I'm going to want a relatively level handlebar position (relative to the seat) at least for now. I definitely want a bike that will allow me to change stems. One of the things I'm unsure of is the "Group" package and how they all feel relative to one another. What's good what's crap etc... Also I understand carbon fiber absorbs road bumps/abnormalities better which is a big plus for long rides = comfort. So maybe a Carbon Fork and Rear Triangle / Seat Post. Maybe asking too much for the carbon parts...
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gimme a ring if you want to discuss it, i sent you a pm
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this one is a bit old but looks like a good deal, looks like it has dura ace cranks

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...911000238.html
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Oh cool, thanks for finding that ! I think I'm going to check that out tomorrow first thing.

Will, I'll be giving you a call Sunday sometime, possibly before I go out on my journey for the day so I have some knowledge to go with In the meantime this is the latest:

I checked out a Specialized Allez Sport Double on sale for $720 at the LBS, I'll be test riding it Sunday.
Specs

I came across the Felt F95 online and it looks like it's the direct competitor to the Specialized Allez so I'll be checking that out at Palms Cycle in Culver City when I get a chance. Specs (I don't believe the weight they list in the specs, it's probably more like 21 lbs, I'll have to weigh it).


Last but not least there's another LBS around my area that carry Treks. I haven't seen any of those yet, the shopped closed right when I got there.

Unfortunately I didn't like anything at Performance Bike (after traveling 45mins to the closest one). After lifting the Specialized Allez all the other bikes felt like steel, I couldn't believe the large difference in weight between similar priced bikes. The only bike that felt similar at PB was a $1000 2010 GT bike that was carbon fiber except for the front triangle. It did have nicer components but I won't be needing those, I'll only be riding once a week with my hectic schedule, the gentleman there said I'll be fine with Tiagra level components anyway.

To sum things up, in the $700 price range it's Felt 95 vs. Specialized Allez Sport Double. That's if I don't snatch up that Trek 2000 for $125...

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this is just plain wrong
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Originally Posted by paste_me View Post
this is just plain wrong
Yeah I guess being a noob I jump around from place to place not knowing what I want so the thread quickly derailed into topics like, "find me a cool bike" and "What bike can I buy for $200"... It's comes with the territory from starting a topic prematurely perhaps, my apologies. Needless to say :facepalm: the topic title and me considering that Toto Apache..

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Taking test rides today I'm starting to realize what I want out of the expensive entry level bikes but I still don't know if they're worth it for me. I had a lot of fun test riding the 2011 Felts today with full Shimano 105 package, that bike was a beauty compared to the bikes I've tried so far, it is quick and picks up the pace effortlessly.

The only thing is out of the 3 different bike shops I've visited so far, I've gotten 2 completely different opinions about my sizing. The first was at my local BS, the owner there just looked at me and said 56 w/o taking measurements. The 2nd BS was not local to me but the lady there put me on a 58, even said maybe I can go with a 60. And the third, which was at Triathlon Lab, they actually sized me up and put me on a trainer watching my stroke. The gentlemen there said 56 is my size, no more. Even stating if I wanted to get aggressive I could go with a 54. I'm confused but it was fun lol.

Btw I'm 5'10 with a 33" inseam. What's interesting is I felt good on the 58, only I had a little too much reach to the handlebars test riding a Masi. On the 58 Masi I felt like I had a nice pedal stroke from top to bottom, like I could really put the power down. Whereas on a 56, it felt like a BMX bike only bigger. Yet, at triathlonlab, the gentleman adjusted my seat lower a couple times on the trainer until he saw I wasn't over-extended my leg for my stroke. Even with the 56 though I had stared developing a slight lower back-of-the-neck pain from looking forward crouched over.

I still want to try a Trek but so far, the 2011 Felt was the best.

Just to clear things up, is Sora and Tiagra the same basic entry level Shimano Group? Then the 105 then Ultegra being best out of the 4?

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