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Strategy for 1000 ft drag race??

Old 08-21-10, 03:21 PM
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Strategy for 1000 ft drag race?? *Now with lame video*

After getting smoked by those damn fixie people and their track bike brethren, I decided I'd do better if I rode a road bike against them instead of a 40ish pound mountain bike with 2 1/2 inch tires @ 30 PSI....

I can take the kids off the line, but they end up stealing the race in the last 100 feet or so.

next race is Sunday- 1000 Feet of Death- Part 3,
and I'm looking for strategy.... should I take it easy for the first half of the race and then try to finish strong??
Take the lead from the beginning and hold on to it?

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Old 08-21-10, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Keep SA Lame View Post
After getting smoked by those damn fixie people and their track bike brethren, I decided I'd do better if I rode a road bike against them instead of a 40ish pound mountain bike with 2 1/2 inch tires @ 30 PSI....

I can take the kids off the line, but they end up stealing the race in the last 100 feet or so.

next race is Sunday- 1000 Feet of Death- Part 3,
and I'm looking for strategy.... should I take it easy for the first half of the race and then try to finish strong??
Take the lead from the beginning and hold on to it?

I bet you could find some info on how to race a good kilo in the track forum (not fg/ss). even though it won't be on the track, I'm sure a lot of the same things apply.
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I forget the technical name for the James Bondish spikes on either side of the wheels. Maybe I misunderstand the difference between stragety and strategy though. Actually though working on a sprinters tuck and doing some work to condition fast twitch muscles in your legs would seem sensible. I am hoping you have struck upon the correlation between them starting in a harder gear allowing an optimum ending cadence without any hesitations switching gears during the ramp up and your tailing off nine tenth of the way. The road bike and potentially a second kick near the finish line could be the ticket to snaking a win.
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Frame pump==> Opponent's front wheel.

Victory!

(Please watch Breaking Away for details)
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If you have a geared road bike and any kind of fitness, beating hipsters on fixies should be no problem.

Standing start sprints are a pretty common workout tip for racers. I start in the big ring on one of the easiest cogs (but not fully cross-chained).

Strategy: start, wind up the gear to high cadence (say 110+), upshift one, repeat.
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Originally Posted by keep sa lame View Post
after getting smoked by those damn fixie people and their track bike brethren, i decided i'd do better if i rode a road bike against them instead of a 40ish pound mountain bike with 2 1/2 inch tires @ 30 psi....

I can take the kids off the line, but they end up stealing the race in the last 100 feet or so.

Next race is sunday- 1000 feet of death- part 3,
and i'm looking for strategy.... Should i take it easy for the first half of the race and then try to finish strong??
take the lead from the beginning and hold on to it?
CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

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Mark Renshaw demonstrates proper technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8VLgLX7AM
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Old 08-21-10, 07:57 PM
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What gearing are these fixie losers running?
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
Frame pump==> Opponent's front wheel.

Victory!

(Please watch Breaking Away for details)
In the second race, I was cutting down the line for teh rider on the inside 'lane' when I realized there was going to be a parked car in their way 400 ft down the 'track'. (We run on a flat city street and cars/dogs/obstacles are considered part of the game). But I relented and let them back over and lost by maybe 30 ft...

Also had to take a 9 year old sandbagging girl in a very competitive round of foot down.
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
If you have a geared road bike and any kind of fitness, beating hipsters on fixies should be no problem.

Standing start sprints are a pretty common workout tip for racers. I start in the big ring on one of the easiest cogs (but not fully cross-chained).

Strategy: start, wind up the gear to high cadence (say 110+), upshift one, repeat.
I was riding a mountain bike against track bikes on a flat courser, against kids half my age.
1st race was against a 20 year old track runner that probably didn't smoke cigarettes for 15 years...

I think it's a stacked deck.

I had to start in the big ring, or else I couldn't get stiff enough gearing.
Top speed on my 2nd race was 27+ MPH on the MTB.
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Originally Posted by Keep SA Lame View Post
In the second race, I was cutting down the line for teh rider on the inside 'lane' when I realized there was going to be a parked car in their way 400 ft down the 'track'. (We run on a flat city street and cars/dogs/obstacles are considered part of the game). But I relented and let them back over and lost by maybe 30 ft...

Also had to take a 9 year old sandbagging girl in a very competitive round of foot down.

ouch, we do them here on the "bus way" it's a flat long road that runs parallel to the main road but is only open to county buses and emergency vehicles. no chance of any cars popping out unexpectedly.
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Originally Posted by Keep SA Lame View Post
I can take the kids off the line, but they end up stealing the race in the last 100 feet or so.

next race is Sunday- 1000 Feet of Death- Part 3,
and I'm looking for strategy.... should I take it easy for the first half of the race and then try to finish strong??
Take the lead from the beginning and hold on to it?

fwiw, I don't think I've ever won a sprint from the front. If I can see the lead rider in front of me it's way easier to guage how much effort (and when) to put out.
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what city is this in?
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what city is this in?
San Antonio- down near Blue Star.
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1000 ft, that's about 300 meters. 53x16, for the start sit way back and hands in the drops with really stiff extended arms pulling against the handlebars. you might need one up shift.
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Pull some Sea Biscuit action: sit on their tail until 50-75 yards to go, then smoke 'em.
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So.

How'd it go?
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Pull some Sea Biscuit action: sit on their tail until 50-75 yards to go, then smoke 'em.
If he is running a fat tire, knobby tread, mtb against young guys on single speeds, he is toast, past, present and future. Give it up and get a road bike, then you may have a chance.
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I didn't win, but I made a decent showing I think.
I was 2nd in my race/heat with 4 riders.
35+ racers- paid 1 deep. lol $75 for 1st place.
Usual winner is a bike messenger from Austin, but today one of the 'masters' class riders beat him!

We actually had a semi-decent turnout for our little shin dig.
Sad thing is, this was probably the biggest bike race in the whole city this week.
Not too bad for an 'underground' type event. DJ's, bands food and a mini Franken-bike show.
I'll be back next month.

1,2 million in our city and I can't even find a cyclocross event....

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1,2 million in our city and I can't even find a cyclocross event....
that's because cross is a winter sport and San Antonio does not have winters.
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1000 ft, that's about 300 meters. 53x16, for the start sit way back and hands in the drops with really stiff extended arms pulling against the handlebars. you might need one up shift.
Actually, the best way to start when overgeared is way forward. On a road bike, you'd want to be in the hoods, and get your hips way forward so you can pull really hard with your arms. It's like picking up a heavy box: you get more power when your arms stay closer in line with your hips.

For pacing, all-out. 100% every pedal stroke. If you think you're going as hard as you can, double your effort until you're ripping the cleats off your shoes and bending your BB spindle. If your brake hoods don't have grip dents in them, you didn't try hard enough. Your chain should hate you. Kill it.

Here's how you start when you're overgeared (note the hips thrusting forward):

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Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
that's because cross is a winter sport and San Antonio does not have winters.
I got all excited when I found a listing for an October 'cross event....but it turned out to be a 2009 calender, and the race isn't scheduled for this year.

I'm a bike Sl*t..I'll ride almost anything. (except BMX)street, dirt, alleycat, wte.

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One thing I thought of, and saw the guy in the video doing it-
I've read in the past that when diving and holding your breath, you can do a lot of deep breathing beforehand, and that gets extra oxygen stored in your blood. If your 1,000' is long enough to get you out of breath, that could help some. Just don't do it so much you get dizzy.
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One thing I thought of, and saw the guy in the video doing it-
I've read in the past that when diving and holding your breath, you can do a lot of deep breathing beforehand, and that gets extra oxygen stored in your blood. If your 1,000' is long enough to get you out of breath, that could help some. Just don't do it so much you get dizzy.
From what I've heard, more than getting extra oxygen in there (which is minimal), it gets as much CO2 out as possible, and it's the CO2 that causes the first problems when you're holding your breath.

At any rate, hyperventilating for such an activity probably has several benefits
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