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It's Not The Bike, It's The Rider

Old 08-22-10, 09:53 AM
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It's Not The Bike, It's The Rider


So yesterday I went for a ride with this guy from work. He's been riding for several years now. He had a Giant Defy 3 above.

The first thing I noticed that this guy broke every single silly road biking rule. He had no socks, wore a standard Nike T-shirt, and his bike.....it looked like a total noob bike/Fred bike. It still had the original reflectors that most roadies remove the moment they get the bike home. I was following behind him and I noticed his bike had a kickstand! LOL! He also had two different water bottles (it was 90 degrees out) and a frame mounted pump.

At first I was kind of giggling under my lip, but when this guy took off, my visions of Fred evaporated. He was cruising along at 18-20 mph in the flats. I'm not as fast, usually around 15-18 by myself. So, all I saw was his rear cassette and the grease plate still on the rear wheel most of the day trying my best to stay with him. The only time I could put the hurt on him was in the hills. He's not used to hills so he was using his smallest cog in his triple crank while I was on a higher gear so I kept gaining on him. Plus, his bike must have weighed an easy 26+ pounds while mine was a measured 23 lbs. with pedals. He did have clipless pedals to replace the factory strap pedals.

Learned a valuable lesson that day: It's not the bike, it's the rider.
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Old 08-22-10, 09:55 AM
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Whats wrong with a frame pump?
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Old 08-22-10, 09:57 AM
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Whats wrong with a frame pump?
This

Quite possibly the worst "It's not about the bike" post on BF today.
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Old 08-22-10, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Palomar01 View Post


Learned a valuable lesson that day: It's not the bike, it's the rider.
A more valuable lesson would have been to not judge to begin with?
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A more valuable lesson would have been to not judge to begin with?
but this is BF where all we do is judge others. It is clearly more important to have a good bike than to be a good rider.
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Old 08-22-10, 10:16 AM
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i find it hard to believe a giant defy3 weighing 26+ pounds. My defy1 was 18-19
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Old 08-22-10, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by walie View Post
i find it hard to believe a giant defy3 weighing 26+ pounds. My defy1 was 18-19
You didn't see the frame pump
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Old 08-22-10, 10:25 AM
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i find it hard to believe a giant defy3 weighing 26+ pounds. My defy1 was 18-19
it's that new solid gold defy3
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It's the motor, it's ALWAYS BEEN THE MOTOR!
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This is BF, it's the bike, it's always been about the magical bike, the deceptive Freds and the wankers who judge them. And of course the water splashers, the spitters, the concealed weapon carriers and the Shimano, SRAM and Campagnolo fanboys. Don't forget the steel, aluminum, titamium and carbon fiber discussions.
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18-20 is not fast....and frame pumps are never a terrible choice.
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Two different water bottles??? Who here even has two the same water bottles? I don't have two the same cages.
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Two different water bottles??? Who here even has two the same water bottles? I don't have two the same cages.
I do! I'm cool like that!
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Originally Posted by zstjohn View Post
18-20 is not fast....and frame pumps are never a terrible choice.
Yup. Unlike C02 inflators, frame pumps don't run out of air!
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Can't find the weight on Bikepedia but from what I can gather, between 22-24 lbs but hell even "Veronica" weighs 21 lbs. No sock though, what a....
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Defy 3 with bottle cages, pedals and frame pump on my brothers bike is exactly 26 lbs actually. There are significant wheel, crank, fork, handlebars and stem upgrades between the defy 3 and 1.
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are you sure you're not the slow one?
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Originally Posted by zstjohn View Post
18-20 is not fast....and frame pumps are never a terrible choice.
Especially on Flat Roads...
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Two different water bottles??? Who here even has two the same water bottles? I don't have two the same cages.
I wouldn't be caught dead with different water bottles. The horror!
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I wouldn't be caught dead with different water bottles. The horror!
Next think you know, they're wearing SPD-compatiable Birkenstocks and going on fully loaded tours!
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Originally Posted by Palomar01 View Post

So yesterday I went for a ride with this guy from work. He's been riding for several years now. He had a Giant Defy 3 above.

The first thing I noticed that this guy broke every single silly road biking rule. He had no socks, wore a standard Nike T-shirt, and his bike.....it looked like a total noob bike/Fred bike. It still had the original reflectors that most roadies remove the moment they get the bike home. I was following behind him and I noticed his bike had a kickstand! LOL! He also had two different water bottles (it was 90 degrees out) and a frame mounted pump.

At first I was kind of giggling under my lip, but when this guy took off, my visions of Fred evaporated. He was cruising along at 18-20 mph in the flats. I'm not as fast, usually around 15-18 by myself. So, all I saw was his rear cassette and the grease plate still on the rear wheel most of the day trying my best to stay with him. The only time I could put the hurt on him was in the hills. He's not used to hills so he was using his smallest cog in his triple crank while I was on a higher gear so I kept gaining on him. Plus, his bike must have weighed an easy 26+ pounds while mine was a measured 23 lbs. with pedals. He did have clipless pedals to replace the factory strap pedals.

Learned a valuable lesson that day: It's not the bike, it's the rider.
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Originally Posted by Palomar01 View Post
, my visions of Fred evaporated.
This is incorrect. A Fred is someone just like him who looks out of place with the fashionistas but destroys you with ease and a warm, unknowing smile.
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I try to stay out of shape, that way I will ride slower so everyone can be impressed with how well color-coordinated all my gear is. If I ride too fast, I'll be a blur.
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All I heard is you judged a guy for being on an entry level bike / his gear and accessories, yet you only average 15-18 in the flats on a better bike...


I'd love to know how I get judged by people like you for showing up w/ nike trainers / strap pedals and frame pumps (also on a defy 3). At least I still manage an average speed of 18.5-20, and I've only been biking for a couple months.
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Originally Posted by TnDiamondback View Post
It's the motor, it's ALWAYS BEEN THE MOTOR!
There is a guy that I ride with on the weekends that is extremely competitive and every time I ride with him, it is a race. He doesn't just ride tempo, he gets in the drops and sprints. He wants to make sure no one passes him.

I am over coming health problems that were corrected through surgery. My oxygenation has been greatly reduced. So, I run out of oxygen fairly quick and I get dropped. I hear all kinds of things from this guy like I need a faster bike, faster wheel, I am using the wrong gears, etc. I am getting a little tired of it. Without question, it is the motor in my case and not the bike.

I am going to start something called the Torture Clinic. This is a class that trains cyclists to improve their speed and fitness. I would like to be at least 20% faster than I am.
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