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All of Lance Armstrong's bikes had a friction shifter??

Old 09-12-10, 01:23 AM
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All of Lance Armstrong's bikes had a friction shifter??

This might be common knowledge but it was news to me. I was talking to the head mechanic at my LBS about a vintage Schwinn project I'm working on that has, of course, friction shifters. He then asked me if I have ever closely looked at Lance Armstrong's bike?

He said his front shifter was always a friction shifter because Lance wanted to be able to dial those chainrings in exactly how he wanted. Interesting. With all of this technology and "advances"we have, the most elite rider preferred old school for optimum performance.
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Old 09-12-10, 02:01 AM
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Old 09-12-10, 02:02 AM
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I call BS, get a new lbs
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Old 09-12-10, 02:08 AM
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Lance did that a few years ago, probably at least 5 years.
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Old 09-12-10, 02:12 AM
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only on his pre-2006 bikes for the mountain stages to save weight.
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Old 09-12-10, 02:12 AM
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All shifters have friction in them but can be fixed with some l00b.
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Old 09-12-10, 02:18 AM
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From back in the day:

https://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/...d=features/FAQ

Why does Lance ride a climbing bike with a downtube shifter on it? Riders such as Lance Armstrong and Joseba Beloki choose a bike with a downtube shifter for two reasons. The first is to shave another 100 grams or so of weight in comparison to their STI or Ergo lever; the second reason is that during a mountain stage, the riders are constantly moving from the small to the large chainwheel and then back again, and sometimes the front derailleur, if not adjusted correctly, will rub against the chain - or in some instances, switching down to the small chainring will cause the chain to come off. The "manual" operation of the front derailleur allows for fine tune adjustment without the potential for these problems to arise.
For current equipment there is effectively no weight saving to be made and obviously they judge shifting to be good enough. That said, I wonder if Andy Schleck wishes he'd had a friction lever this year.
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It was for the mountain TTs not mountain stages. And schleck wasn't shifting, so the shifter would not have mattered.
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I probably shouldn't have said "All of Lance's bikes" in the title, BUT the fact that Lance "did" do that at some point with any of his bikes I find fascinating.

It reminds me of CD's in audio and how millions of mainstream people think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but any audiophile will tell you that a quality recording on vinyl and a good turntable will put CD's metallic sound to shame. I know not exactly the same thing, but just shows that sometimes in past products and eras, we had it right.

Dare I add the word "steel" in the Roadie Forum? Lol

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Old 09-12-10, 03:05 AM
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I don't see what the big deal is, it's not like shifting a double with a friction shifter is rocket science. I could see the justification for using one to save weight and have more trim adjustment. That said his STI shifters must have really sucked if they were throwing chains and rubbing all the time.
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It was for the mountain TTs not mountain stages. And schleck wasn't shifting, so the shifter would not have mattered.
If you can find the Oakley poster after his fifth win, you will see that he did, indeed, use the shifter for mountain stages, not just tt's. Plus, the only mountain tt where he did not use a tt bike that I can recall (without looking) was the D'Huez tt.

It was to save weight, back then.
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Old 09-12-10, 05:32 AM
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You can't see the shifter in this pic, but you can see that he has a non-STI left brake lever. I don't remember which stage this is; but I think it was 01 or 02. Defintely not a TT though.

There were a lot of reasons floating around for it: weight, front STI was less reliable at the time, etc.

armstrong different calipers..jpg
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
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If you can find the Oakley poster after his fifth win, you will see that he did, indeed, use the shifter for mountain stages, not just tt's. Plus, the only mountain tt where he did not use a tt bike that I can recall (without looking) was the D'Huez tt.

It was to save weight, back then.
correct.

he got the idea from this dude.

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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
If you can find the Oakley poster after his fifth win, you will see that he did, indeed, use the shifter for mountain stages, not just tt's. Plus, the only mountain tt where he did not use a tt bike that I can recall (without looking) was the D'Huez tt.
ok. I remember in the "Lance Chronicles" that OLN made for one of his later tours (2004 I guess) they discussed the downtube shifter to save weight. At that point it seemed like the only time they used it, but I don't know enough about previous years to know how often he or others used it before that. As bikes got lighter and lighter I imagine there was less reason to do it.

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It was to save weight, back then.
Of course
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Pantani did it, too.
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Mikey isn't wrong though, because it clearly wasn't always a friction shifter, and as you and others have said, it was about weight not shifting "performance".
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Mikey isn't wrong though, because it clearly wasn't always a friction shifter, and as you and others have said, it was about weight not shifting "performance".
"mikey" made a sweeping statement with no knowledge of the facts. again.
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Originally Posted by Sundance89 View Post
It reminds me of CD's in audio and how millions of mainstream people think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but any audiophile will tell you that a quality recording on vinyl and a good turntable will put CD's metallic sound to shame. I know not exactly the same thing, but just shows that sometimes in past products and eras, we had it right.
Careful there. Some audiophiles prefer the distortion that vinyl brings to sound, but don't mistake that for a more accurate reproduction of the original recording, especially over time.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
"mikey" made a sweeping statement with no knowledge of the facts. again.
umm, no.

The op said "all" of Lance's bikes had a friction shifter...all of lances bikes did not have a friction shifter. Yes, he did use friction shifters in the past, but since he raced the past couple of years with regular brifters, then clearly "all" of his bikes did not have friction shifters.
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"mikey" made a sweeping statement with no knowledge of the facts. again.
How could you know that mikey had no knowledge of the facts? Actually, your sweeping statement with no knowledge of the facts show how ignorant you are.
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How could you know that mikey had no knowledge of the facts? Actually, your sweeping statement with no knowledge of the facts show how ignorant you are.
oh snap.
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Originally Posted by cooleric1234 View Post
Careful there. Some audiophiles prefer the distortion that vinyl brings to sound, but don't mistake that for a more accurate reproduction of the original recording, especially over time.
I would say the consensus with audiophiles concerning vinyl over digital, as well as old tube amplifiers over solid state, is an unquestionable degree of warmth and realism in sound. Proof in which is an entire industry of high end CD players and DAC's in print ads and reviews, always touting and aspiring their products to come "close" to that Holy Grail in sound.

To relate this back to cycling, it does remind me of the resurgence... or at least the appreciation of steel frame bikes. I know nohing is clear cut straight forward but rather a series of trade offs. The warmth of vinyl compared to having my entire music collection on my computer (Apple Lossless) is one I'm not willing to make. However, the seductive lure of a steel frame bike is just something I must have in my bike collection. And it was just interesting to find out about Lance preferring a friction shifter on at least some of his bikes FD.
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
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That's how I do.
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These days the bikes are all under the weight limit anyway and modern shifters have trim for the front derailleur. So both the weight issue and "performance" issue are history. For example: my campagnolo 10 speed front shifter has 5 positions ( if you have a triple you can set them up to have even more trim positions) and you can shift either one by one through each click, or multiple steps in one push of the lever or button.
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