Originally Posted by yarb (Post 11454385)

I don't understand why people draft strangers ad hoc. If you want to ride in a group and draft, you ride with a group. If you want to ride by yourself to train you do so - hooking up with random strangers, especially without permission, is creepy and bizarre. You're not improving your condition by drafting; if anything it's saving you effort. It's not a race so why do you want to save effort?

Originally Posted by GP (Post 11453230)

You should never draft without getting permission because: Today's ride I get a couple hundred yards ahead of the group so I'm soft pedaling and get behind a guy on a beach cruiser. We're doing 8-10 mph and I creep up on him until I'm a foot or so from his wheel. A young lady is walking by on the sidewalk so he waves and says "Hi, xxx!". She knows him and starts talking to him. She's also smoking hot and I'm looking at her and not paying attention as the guy hits his brakes so he can chat and......I have to do a panic swerve to avoid hitting him and looking like a total fool. Of course, by then my friends saw the whole thing and were laughing their asses off.

Originally Posted by rodruguez (Post 11453355)

Well i can go with the flow. If you guys say is rude then next time i'll ask.

That would explain all the mean faces all this time.LOL

Originally Posted by sfrider (Post 11454400)

Generally I get drafted on the more mundane, boring, urban 15-20 miles of any ride. It's just transportation to get to/from the pleasant portions. Drafting cuts down on the tedious parts.

You'll still get plenty of training. Just ride the bulk of the ride a little faster.

Originally Posted by gjb483 (Post 11454097)

You internet tough guys saying you'd brake check, spit on or otherwise harm a stranger really need an attitude adjustment.

Originally Posted by rodruguez (Post 11454856)

II was always consious of the safety issue and knew what the out come would be. I never saw it as creepy move either. Well ,maybe down a lonely road. Where i'm talking about there are hundreds of riders on the weekend, its in Key biscayne Miami.

Originally Posted by Barese Rider (Post 11452870)

+1 :thumb: . I dont like it when someone unknown to me jumps my wheel and I certainly dont do it to others. On top of showing bad manners I think it can be somewhat dangerous. When a stranger is on your wheel are you supposed to call out obstuctions etc? And if your approaching a dangerous intersection are you supposed to call out or signal that your slowing ? These are things I expect to do while riding with a group but not while alone.

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11452826)

Drafting someone is like tailgaiting on the freeway, but even closer. We do it with people we know and trust, but some people may not be comfortable doing it with strangers. I don't know why it is a hard concept to understand that some people may not want to participate, as either the draftee or drafter.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

Are you in the fastlane? If you are, and someone behind you is going faster; move over. If they then get on your ass to prove a point; ignore them. They are the ones who don't get it.

What about when you are riding by yourself and someone passes you; then proceeds to slow down again?

This is not racing; if someone is behind me drafting me (which I doubt because I am slow) then fine. Either work harder to get them off your tail (in most cases this shouldn't take very long, since you passed the slower rider who is now following you) or move over; wait a bit and proceed.

There are no ethics here.

Plus as cyclists; shouldn't you be aware of whose around you?

Originally Posted by ochizon (Post 11455333)

that happens often when people do solo interval training. Fly by, then you cruise past them. Nothing wrong with it. This seems more like a personal peeve of yours than anything else.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

Are you in the fastlane? If you are, and someone behind you is going faster; move over. If they then get on your ass to prove a point; ignore them. They are the ones who don't get it.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

What about when you are riding by yourself and someone passes you; then proceeds to slow down again?

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

This is not racing

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

if someone is behind me drafting me (which I doubt because I am slow) then fine.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

Either work harder to get them off your tail (in most cases this shouldn't take very long, since you passed the slower rider who is now following you) or move over; wait a bit and proceed.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

There are no ethics here.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

Plus as cyclists; shouldn't you be aware of whose around you?

Originally Posted by LowCel (Post 11452890)

Weez just a bunch'a dum ass heelbeelies up hear in West by God Virginia butt eye'm purdy sure I wood no wat a grup rid wuz if'n eye wur two c won.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455246)

Are you in the fastlane? If you are, and someone behind you is going faster; move over. If they then get on your ass to prove a point; ignore them. They are the ones who don't get it.

What about when you are riding by yourself and someone passes you; then proceeds to slow down again?

This is not racing; if someone is behind me drafting me (which I doubt because I am slow) then fine. Either work harder to get them off your tail (in most cases this shouldn't take very long, since you passed the slower rider who is now following you) or move over; wait a bit and proceed.

There are no ethics here.

Plus as cyclists; shouldn't you be aware of whose around you?

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11455391)

You think you made some kind of point, but you are the one who doesn't get it. I didn't say anything about being in the fast lane, the point is just the tailgaiting. Pretend it's a one lane highway to make the point clearer.

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11455391)

What about it? People rarely pass me so that's not something I deal with.

Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no (Post 11455771)

nearly everything you have written is incorrect, and your arrogance is astounding.

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11455391)

So this is not something you actually have to deal with...

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11455391)

Why should I have to change my ride because of some other rider being an idiot? If I caught and passed you, stay passed. See your above statement about not being a race.

Originally Posted by umd (Post 11455391)

Funny how so many slow people feel that there are "no ethics" for drafting but there are for waving.

Originally Posted by rodruguez (Post 11452688)

Hello everyone!

So i went riding today and i'm going about 18mph (i'm on a mtb BTW with knobby tires) and these two roadies pass me at 21 or so . So i get on their wheel, about two miles later one of the guys turns to me says. You know what you're doing is unethical?

I said, What is? He says following my wheel without permission. I almost fell of the bike when he said that :twitchy:

We went back and forth with it and i told him i've been riding there for 20 years and never heard of such thing. I also told him sorry if i hurt his feelings for riding his wheel and not asking first.(sarcastically of course) I told the guy that was his opinion and that i was going to keep doing it.

So is there such a thing? Was i wrong? Flame on i can take it.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455934)

Are you going slow or fast?

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455934)

I didn't say you should.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455934)

I'm just stating if you don't like it and the other person isn't doing anything different to make you feel better; change it.

Originally Posted by bavarian3 (Post 11455934)

I don't wave.

Originally Posted by hao (Post 11455723)

Let's put it into terms that BFers can understand:

Scenario: You are jogging, and you see this smoking hot chick up the road, also jogging.

Appropriate: Catch up and ask: Hey, mind if I join you for a bit? If rejected, tell yourself it's her loss.
Inappropriate: Catch up and jog inches behind her while staring at her behind, and when she is creeped out, say: What, you've never heard of drafting?