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arben 04-01-15 11:38 AM

Well, it would absolutely be better for making you stronger, but it would also be the definition of harder -- the gear ratio is higher!

rms13 04-01-15 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by rockwell1222 (Post 17680973)
In your experience, Would it it be harder to go up hills or train with standard cranks?

Get compact, unless you live someplace completely flat. Hills will be much harder with standard crank. And if you are a new rider as you said, having 50/11 or 50/12 for your highest gear will not limit you in any way even if you do live some place relatively flat.

Leinster 04-01-15 01:36 PM

What RMS said. My compact took a bit of getting used to, but I've never felt restricted by it in any way. I grew up on 52/42, and I couldn't possibly go back to that now on the terrain I ride on.

If you're a new rider, get a compact. If the terrain where you ride is really, really, completely and totally, Netherlands/Florida flat, then maybe get a 12/25 or 12/23 cassette so you won't have much difference between gear ratios.

seymour1910 04-01-15 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by rockwell1222 (Post 17680964)
thanks for the input. Any thoughts on climbing with standard cranks?

All good advice so far. As I said, I personally prefer a standard. I love my 53/39 but it isn't for everyone. I will admit that when I have traveled to ride in other areas with good elevation, it was a tough task. Not only am I running a 53/39 up front, my cassette is 12-26. That makes for a hard day on the hills even if I go 39/26.

dvdslw 04-01-15 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by fureshi (Post 17676893)
Picked up the bike in stock trim at the end of 2014 for a really reasonable price while visiting family in Socal. After selling off the original groupset and wheels at the beginning of this year, I finally got around to putting it back together with other components and wheels. This is the second CAAD10 that I've had and this one rides just as well as the previous bike if not better since I'm now on tubeless tires. Now that I look back on it, I shouldn't have sold my first CAAD10 as it was the anodized black version but the Gulf Racing colorway has always been my favorite.

Steering tube still needs to be cut and stem needs to be lowered a bit. The first few rides on it feels too upright but overall, it's such a good aluminum frame.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7614/...c56ca82d_c.jpg

Beautiful bike, how do you like the Eastons? I'm riding my Caad10 on Ultegra's with Schwalbe One's and the ride is awesome. I've been looking at new wider wheels like the Eastons, Ardennes, Industry Nine's, and even the new tubeless Reynolds Assaults?

rekon 04-02-15 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by rms13 (Post 17675653)
On a side note, you should not run any spacers above the stem per Cannondale's specs. I'm sure your set up is temporary while you get fit dialed in but just an fyi

Thanks - I did not know that. Nor, did the shop mention this when they put the spacers up there.

Metieval 04-02-15 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by rekon (Post 17684868)
Thanks - I did not know that. Nor, did the shop mention this when they put the spacers up there.

I ran way more than on top of my stem, on my Synapse, for a couple hundred miles, before cutting steerer. maybe there is a difference between Carbon and Al steerers?

I wanted to be sure! Now I have zero spacer below or above.

rekon 04-02-15 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Metieval (Post 17684915)
I ran way more than on top of my stem, on my Synapse, for a couple hundred miles, before cutting steerer. maybe there is a difference between Carbon and Al steerers?

I wanted to be sure! Now I have zero spacer below or above.

Did you cut the steerer yourself? I'm not sure if my shop would do this.

SpeshulEd 04-02-15 03:43 PM

Cutting the steerer is easy...measure twice, hacksaw once. Getting over the "if I screw this up, I've ruined everything" feeling is the hardest part.

A shop you bought the bike from, should do it for you though.

Metieval 04-02-15 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by rekon (Post 17685077)
Did you cut the steerer yourself? I'm not sure if my shop would do this.

My local shop did it, had two shops that t would, and I picked the wrong one.

they both said $20, I took it to the shop I bought the bike from. He ended up charging me $35. Which irritated me as he didn't need a new star nut as I had already had it pushed down due to using a cap for carbon steer from another bike. and then he tried to swap caps on me. I have a carbon steer Cannondale slice fork. Salt in the wound was the $29 charge for adjusting front derailleur. I had been complaining about a BB30 click, he kept blowing me off. I took it apart, broke some Al. shaving off frame that came up when factory pressed bearings in I guess, fresh lube, and put it back together and no more click. It went together tighter than it had been from factory.

That shop offers 2 year warranty, one time adjustments. 1 year later, all I wanted was steerer cut, and for him to look at derailleurs. Plus I was already irritated at being blown off on the BB clicking. He ***** me.

It's okay, he put in some Trek Crossrips on his showroom floor, can't move them. I wanted one, so went to a third LBS in area that carries Trek and bought a Crossrip. :D

If I had the tools, I'd youtube it and do it myself. I suppose I should youtube the derailleur stuff....

Metieval 04-02-15 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by SpeshulEd (Post 17685128)
Cutting the steerer is easy...measure twice, hacksaw once. Getting over the "if I screw this up, I've ruined everything" feeling is the hardest part.

A shop you bought the bike from, should do it for you though.

for $35 I could have bought a really nice hacksaw! and had change left over... :(

SpeshulEd 04-02-15 04:07 PM

I always worry a bit when I go to do maintenance on my bike, but after watching enough youtube videos and reading enough articles, I gain the confidence to do it.

It might take me longer the first time around, but I'm usually pretty successful.

I just had a friend that took her bike into the shop to get a flat tire repaired. I was flabbergasted. I told her to bring her bike over this weekend and I'd show her how to do it. She's quite excited.

rms13 04-02-15 05:42 PM

Cutting steerer is simple but most shops do it cheap and shop you just bought a bike from should do it ....free? As part of set up and adjustments.

To confuse us all, it seems all manufacturers have different recommendations for running spacers above stem on carbon steerers. Some specifically say that you should always leave a small spacer above the fork. Cannondale says not to run any spacers above the fork: (see pg 99 of manual)

http://media.cannondale.com/media/Ma...ers_Manual.pdf

I don't think riding it that way for a few weeks will cause damage but once you have fit dialed in , it should be cut to length. Of course remember you can't un-cut your fork so make sure it is truly comfortable before committing and also keep in mind cutting too short can effect resale

itzwill 04-02-15 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by rekon (Post 17672287)
Thanks. I went from a 52 to a 50. I'm short (5'6) and wanted a more aggressive fit.

Nice CAAD 10. I'm around your size as well 165 / 5'6. I got recommended a 52 from one shop and some guy recommended me a 48 from another shop :/. I'm guessing either a 52 or 50 will suit me.

Snakepit 04-03-15 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by Metieval (Post 17684915)
I ran way more than on top of my stem, on my Synapse, for a couple hundred miles, before cutting steerer. maybe there is a difference between Carbon and Al steerers?

I wanted to be sure! Now I have zero spacer below or above.

I also wanted to play around with slightly dropping the stem so I brought my CAAD10 to my Cannondale LBS and the owner moved one tiny spacer up top for me after it's first tune up. I just saw the Cannondale manual where it says not to run any spacers above the stem. However, I noticed that even some of the EVOs in the pro peloton have spacers positioned on top of the stem?

Metieval 04-03-15 12:35 AM

I honestly don't see what difference it makes. But I am also the guy that would grind the Lawyer tabs off the front fork.

It isn't that hard to make sure your QR is tight, or that your head set is just right.

rms13 04-03-15 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Metieval (Post 17686205)
I honestly don't see what difference it makes. But I am also the guy that would grind the Lawyer tabs off the front fork.

It isn't that hard to make sure your QR is tight, or that your head set is just right.

Apparently it puts stress on the steerer tube and can cause it to fail. Basically the si compression plug is designed to reinforce the tube and by having a spacer above the stem the stem is being clamped on the portion of steerer below the compression plug which won't have the reinforcement.

Is the steerer going to snap if you have spacers above? Maybe not. But when it comes to things like this I'll just listen to what the manufacturer recommends since they recommend it for a reason

jdms mvp 04-03-15 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Snakepit (Post 17686201)
I also wanted to play around with slightly dropping the stem so I brought my CAAD10 to my Cannondale LBS and the owner moved one tiny spacer up top for me after it's first tune up. I just saw the Cannondale manual where it says not to run any spacers above the stem. However, I noticed that even some of the EVOs in the pro peloton have spacers positioned on top of the stem?

o ya? but really pros can do whatever pros what. a 2mm spacer above the steerer isn't going to change anything. What the manual really is referring to is enough spacers to essentially make the expander 'expand' only near the top stem bolt or above where the stem clamps completely.
http://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspi...004030-002.jpg


Originally Posted by Metieval (Post 17684915)
I ran way more than on top of my stem, on my Synapse, for a couple hundred miles, before cutting steerer. maybe there is a difference between Carbon and Al steerers?

I wanted to be sure! Now I have zero spacer below or above.

yes there is a different between aluminum and carbon steerer tubes. With aluminum old way was just using a starnut. With clamping force of stems around carbon steerers you ideally would need a expander like specialized or cannondale's version. I have one from specialized to use my donut top cap.

the cap itself matches the inner diameter of the steerer, so when the stem clamps, it's not just clamping a tube with no reinforcement. ALSO other companies say that as a CYA (Cover your ass) i think because if you look at other expander/top cap designs ..... the steerer needs to be slightly shorter than the stack of the stem, for compression. If the steerer is cut just a tad too* short then the steerer might be shorter than where the bolt of the stem clamps, and it's clamping 'air'. With cannondales expander again this is not a problem because of their design.
http://www.cannondaleexperts.com/ass...17exploded.jpg



moral of the story. Commit to the fit and just cut the steerer =)

fureshi 04-03-15 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by dvdslw (Post 17682420)
Beautiful bike, how do you like the Eastons? I'm riding my Caad10 on Ultegra's with Schwalbe One's and the ride is awesome. I've been looking at new wider wheels like the Eastons, Ardennes, Industry Nine's, and even the new tubeless Reynolds Assaults?

I started off with the Ultegra's (WH6700) as well and they are good wheels but I wanted something wider and lighter. Unfortunately the EA90SLX are also like the Ultegra in that they are a low spoke count wheel. I've noticed that with low spoke count wheels, it's really hard to tune them enough to take out all the wobble in rim and still have enough tension in the spokes. These wheels have a slight wobble when I put them on the tuning stand but on the bike and in use, I don't notice it at all. It's not such a big deal and I'm just being anal about making the wheels totally straight.

With that said, they've been really great wheels in the nine months that I've been riding them. I'm running 80psi f/r and along with the wide wheels, makes the ride so supple. I'm not sure if I notice a difference in rolling resistance but the ride has improved when compared to my clincher wheels. They're also stiff enough that when I'm accelerating hard there's no noticeable brake rub. Considering the low weight (1450g), width and ability to run tubeless, the EA90SLX have a good combination of features that tick the right boxes for me.

rekon 04-03-15 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by itzwill (Post 17685624)
Nice CAAD 10. I'm around your size as well 165 / 5'6. I got recommended a 52 from one shop and some guy recommended me a 48 from another shop :/. I'm guessing either a 52 or 50 will suit me.

Thanks! I'm 5'6/165 as well and I really prefer the 50 over the 52. I rode a 52 for a year and didn't feel as comfortable as my 50. Try them both though!

itzwill 04-04-15 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by rekon (Post 17688287)
Thanks! I'm 5'6/165 as well and I really prefer the 50 over the 52. I rode a 52 for a year and didn't feel as comfortable as my 50. Try them both though!

I went into another Local buy shop the guy that recommended me a 52 over a phone was really nice and we did many bike fit tests. First we did a 52 which he presume would fit me since I am 165 the same height as yours but he noted that my legs were a bit on the small size. We decided to do another bike fit test on a 50 bike a different brand, how ever after several attempts he said we might as well go for a 48 since I have the more flexibility option. So after 2 different places they have recommended me a 48. I just made a deposit and picking up my bike next week. I got the team colours, I'm pretty excited.

Metieval 04-04-15 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by itzwill (Post 17689015)
I went into another Local buy shop the guy that recommended me a 52 over a phone was really nice and we did many bike fit tests. First we did a 52 which he presume would fit me since I am 165 the same height as yours but he noted that my legs were a bit on the small size. We decided to do another bike fit test on a 50 bike a different brand, how ever after several attempts he said we might as well go for a 48 since I have the more flexibility option. So after 2 different places they have recommended me a 48. I just made a deposit and picking up my bike next week. I got the team colours, I'm pretty excited.

just curious what are the Seat tube angle differences between 48 and 50, and how much will that change things? head tube angle also?

Edit: never mind on angles I looked them up. but how does that factor in on fit an ride characteristics?

itzwill 04-04-15 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by Metieval (Post 17689028)
just curious what are the Seat tube angle differences between 48 and 50, and how much will that change things? head tube angle also?

Edit: never mind on angles I looked them up. but how does that factor in on fit an ride characteristics?

He said if I was to choose a 48 model over a 52 or 50 cm I would get more seat tube height approx 4 - 6 cm more. Plus I have more flexible options with my head tube adjusting stems. The 48cm will allow me to go into a more aero dynamic position if I choose to, while the 52 and 50 is a bit limited, I could get away with the 50 but he said the 48 would suit me better. They didn't have a 50 in stock so they got me on a Pinarello to give me a idea of how the bike would feel if I was to choose the 50.

While getting bike fitted my seat and the handle bar is nearly even on the 52, and less on the 50.
On the 52 there was only round 5cm of seat post showing, which meant it didn't fit me, the second test on the Pinarello had a bit more seat tube height and the 48 will give me a bit more.
My legs are a bit short.

Hmmm 04-04-15 12:07 PM

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Not the best staging but whatever this isn't hot or not. 2014 CAAD10 105.

Love this bike! A huge upgrade to what I was riding for a few years.

jdms mvp 04-08-15 10:22 AM

aye , probably only changes....fizik r1, keo max 2, and maintenance... chainrings, cables, housings.



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