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Old 09-25-10, 09:03 PM
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Big difference between a 250 bucks shoe and a 500 bucks one anyways
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Originally Posted by 3e8 View Post
However, I couldn't solve a problem with numbness in my right foot. I tried shimming and custom insoles, but couldn't ever get it quite right.
I had the EXACT same issue pertaining to my right foot. the only difference was that it was the Road Comp BG (last year's model). I added Sole inserts, which helped a little as well as shims.

I switched to 2011 Sidi Genius 6.6 Carbon Lites, same model Sole inserts...no issues. I agree that although more snug, they appear to provide more uniform support.
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Old 09-25-10, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraman6970 View Post
Big difference between a 250 bucks shoe and a 500 bucks one anyways
Quite different in MSRP, yes, but since Sidis can be found at reduced prices, the cost difference was only about $40

I suppose a comparison between the s-works shoe and ergo 2's would be more appropriate, but...
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When you get to try on some shoes in-store, pay more attention to how the uppers fit -- even pressure, appropriate width, etc. You can always change the insoles.

Personally, I think a lot of shoe manufacturers -- especially Sidi -- throw cheap insoles into their shoes knowing that most people will just throw them out for stuff that fits their feet better. It's a bit like selling a nice race bike with cheap- to mid-range wheels; they expect a racer to have a set of nice race wheels and might keep the OEM set for training.
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Old 09-26-10, 09:13 AM
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I've got sidi's and swear by them. However, i needed the "mega" width sizing and sidi offered what fit me properly. that being said, you should get the pair that fits you best. If the specialized shoes just feel that much better to your feet, get 'em..... there's enough suffering in this sport without adding ill fitting shoes to the mix.
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Old 09-26-10, 09:15 AM
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FWIW, I have two pairs of Sidis, one road and one MTB. The road pair is the Mega version, and the MTB pair is regular "non-Mega" -- but one size bigger. They both fit pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Walter View Post
I use and like Specialized shoes alot. However they changed their sizing a year or so ago and they don't fit me as perfectly as they used to. The days of just knowing that a 47 was perfect are over. I had to experiment.

This is about my feet, not yours. Try some on.
Yep...try "before" you buy.

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Old 09-26-10, 10:48 AM
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Wait, a Sidi related thread and no Pcad in sight?
He must be riding or maybe it's his day off.
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Old 09-26-10, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
When you get to try on some shoes in-store, pay more attention to how the uppers fit -- even pressure, appropriate width, etc. You can always change the insoles.

Personally, I think a lot of shoe manufacturers -- especially Sidi -- throw cheap insoles into their shoes knowing that most people will just throw them out for stuff that fits their feet better. It's a bit like selling a nice race bike with cheap- to mid-range wheels; they expect a racer to have a set of nice race wheels and might keep the OEM set for training.
Common with Sidi.

Many wearers upgrade to Superfeet insoles.

Like just about any good thing in cycling, upgradability and customization
is another reason that makes that very thing "good" in the first place.

Exactly...How many bikes come with "keeper" wheelsets?

How high quality many bikes come "with" pedals?

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Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
FWIW, I have two pairs of Sidis, one road and one MTB. The road pair is the Mega version, and the MTB pair is regular "non-Mega" -- but one size bigger. They both fit pretty well.
Are your feet made of Jell-O?

As for the insoles, I always thought they just used super thin ones to facilitate power transfer. You're giving up stiffness in favor of comfort when you put in cushy insoles, which I think defeats the purpose of those fancy carbon soles.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Are your feet made of Jell-O?

As for the insoles, I always thought they just used super thin ones to facilitate power transfer. You're giving up stiffness in favor of comfort when you put in cushy insoles, which I think defeats the purpose of those fancy carbon soles.


How in a insert gonna make the base of the shoe less stiff? My carbon soles are exactly the same stiffness with or without the footbed.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
As for the insoles, I always thought they just used super thin ones to facilitate power transfer. You're giving up stiffness in favor of comfort when you put in cushy insoles, which I think defeats the purpose of those fancy carbon soles.
I have worn Sidi's for a little over 10 years...still have my first pair. Although they fit me wonderfully, I've always had a hot spot issue, regardless of the sole (Millenium and the one with the carbon insert). The only replacement inserts I could find locally were the Specialized, so I gave them a try. The hot spot issue disappeared immediately. They might be a little "cushier", but I think for the most part they are just supporting the foot better.
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Originally Posted by BigSean View Post


How in a insert gonna make the base of the shoe less stiff? My carbon soles are exactly the same stiffness with or without the footbed.
that is true but your power transfer from your feet to the sole may not be as efficient as before with thinner, less cushy soles. the cushy soles will disperse and dampen your energy from your feet to the carbon sole. think about hitting a pillow with a hammer compared to hitting a wooden block with a hammer. hitting the block is going to louder. the volume of the sound is an indicator of how much energy there is. the energy may be the same going into both the pillow and block but the block will make the louder sound due to its properties compared to the pillow.

maybe that was a poor analogy. anyways the difference in energy/power cannot and will not make a noticeable difference but i had to put in my 2 cents. i wouldnt sacrifice the comfort for the unnoticeable difference for more energy/power.
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Originally Posted by BigSean View Post


How in a insert gonna make the base of the shoe less stiff? My carbon soles are exactly the same stiffness with or without the footbed.
Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say they soften the soles. They compress more, so some of the energy gets lost before it even gets to the soles.

But yeah, dykim90 is correct that it's probably such a small difference that it doesn't matter. The comfort is obviously going to make more of a difference, but the masses aren't thinking of that.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say they soften the soles. They compress more, so some of the energy gets lost before it even gets to the soles.

But yeah, dykim90 is correct that it's probably such a small difference that it doesn't matter. The comfort is obviously going to make more of a difference, but the masses aren't thinking of that.
Your words-You're giving up stiffness in favor of comfort when you put in cushy insoles, which I think defeats the purpose of those fancy carbon soles.

You are not giving up stiffness at all, period. My comprehension is fine.
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Originally Posted by BigSean View Post
Your words-You're giving up stiffness in favor of comfort when you put in cushy insoles, which I think defeats the purpose of those fancy carbon soles.

You are not giving up stiffness at all, period. My comprehension is fine.
I disagree. A softer insole is less stiff than a harder one. You made it seem like I said the insole makes the sole softer, which I did not. However, I do see where I may have been misunderstood. Still, it can't be argued that it doesn't take energy to compress a soft insole. Whether it is significant is another issue.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
. Still, it can't be argued that it doesn't take energy to compress a soft insole. Whether it is significant is another issue.
Yeah I dont know. I use Esoles mostly for arch support, and they are pretty hard(more then the original). Since the shoe is pretty snug already I am thinkin the sole would already be compressed.
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Originally Posted by BigSean View Post
Since the shoe is pretty snug already I am thinkin the sole would already be compressed.
Hmmm, that is a good point, too. E-soles are designed for sports, right?
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The stiff sole helps the muscles in the leg, and that doesn't have very much to do with the tissue in the bottom of the foot. Replacement insoles are for addressing each person's particular foot shape; they don't make the shoe more floppy (my Specialized Tahos were floppier than either of my Sidis and gave me hot spots after 30-40 miles if I used small pedals; the floppiest shoes I've ridden in yet are my Nike Free running shoes).
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I should also say that the heat-moldable Sole inserts that I often use aren't very cushy, either. I use thicker ones for my dress shoes, and have put them in my Sidis, too. I just got a new pair of thin "sport" Sole inserts, too, and will mold them to fit when I get back home in a couple weeks.

The insoles are what made all the difference for me and my Sidi road shoes. With the stock ones, I was in pretty bad pain after just half an hour. Put the Soles in my toaster oven, shoved them into the shoes and stood on the cleats to mash them into shape, then took them out for a good, long ride with no pain.
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My 2010 6.6 45M fit so close, that I can't use anything but the stock insoles. I compensate by not using ultra-thin socks on long rides. The unique contour of the SIDI last seems to fit my foot well, and that is an important factor most often overlooked. Even with max tension, I have developed a bit of heal slip on the right side.

The Specialized Pro shoes have IMO a much less refined upper that the SIDI 6.6, but I envy the suppleness of the S-Works. The S-Works are a little tight for me in the toe box, and with the stock insoles, give some pressure to my flattish arches.

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