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Old 09-29-10, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gundom66 View Post
I may have to opt out of Cervelo and Look. Neither has the triple and cog set. Even if I go compact, the cogs only go as high as 25. .
You can have a bike modified by the shop. When I bought my R3 from Cupertino I had them put a 50/34 compact and a 12-27 cassette on. When I went to pick it up they asked for my address to fill out the paperwork. When I told them, they said "oh, we were wondering why you asked for that gearing, because you look pretty fit". I live on one of the steeper roads in the area.

The cost to get a triple on a Cevelo may however be more than the difference in feel (if you decide you prefer the Cervelo) is worth to you. Nothing wrong with that. Or with preferring a triple for that matter.
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Old 09-29-10, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
You can have a bike modified by the shop. When I bought my R3 from Cupertino I had them put a 50/34 compact and a 12-27 cassette on. When I went to pick it up they asked for my address to fill out the paperwork. When I told them, they said "oh, we were wondering why you asked for that gearing, because you look pretty fit". I live on one of the steeper roads in the area.

The cost to get a triple on a Cevelo may however be more than the difference in feel (if you decide you prefer the Cervelo) is worth to you. Nothing wrong with that. Or with preferring a triple for that matter.
Cupertino Bikes in De Anza? I think I saw that earlier. Hmmm... So which is more preferable for the Cervelo? Squoval or the Aero? I know, I know... test ride both. So if I can switch out to the tri-crank and have the 11-28, then I should be okay. I should call them and find out how much them Cervelos are and how much more to switch out on the crank and cogs.

Look at me dreaming already and I'm not even sure if this is a done deal! LOL I'm like a little kid again. DAMN! I don't know if I should thank or hate myself from getting back into biking.
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Old 09-29-10, 02:27 PM
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+1 on Cupertino Bikes (yes, on De Anza, but a little hidden) for Cervelo and having the LBS swap the cassette. I was just there the other day and they had a huge inventory. I'm not sure how/why they keep such a large inventory, but it's there. Never actually road a Cervelo, so can't answer which one.

I'd go with the double rather than a low low triple and just get more fit. That might sound smart-ass, but it's really not. There might be some hills you can't do, but so what. There's plenty you could and in the long run, it'll make you stronger and better. One of the best things about living in Northern California is that there are so many great places to ride for all skill levels.

As someone on this thread already pointed out, you can get most of the triple gearing with a double, but obviously you can make a very wide triple too. If your gearing is too wide, you might not like it. It's may be good to get up Mt. Diablo, but you might have trouble finding the right gears for everything else.

I too just started riding again after a similar hiatus. Too many 16hr days and other priorities took over my life. I've readjusted priorities to make sure biking fits in. Given that, I'm riding my first bike that's been hanging in the garage for years. Downtube friction shifting with a low gear of 42/27. With that, there's plenty of hills around here I can't make it up (I know, I've tried), but the one's I can make it up, I'm getting better and better and adding more routes as I get better.

I'll be putting back together my other bike or buying new in the spring. It'll be a compact double. Even if that's not low enough for some rides, my fitness level will continue to improve and eventually it will be perfect.
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Old 09-29-10, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alancommike View Post
I'd go with the double rather than a low low triple and just get more fit. That might sound smart-ass, but it's really not. There might be some hills you can't do, but so what. There's plenty you could and in the long run, it'll make you stronger and better. One of the best things about living in Northern California is that there are so many great places to ride for all skill levels.

As someone on this thread already pointed out, you can get most of the triple gearing with a double, but obviously you can make a very wide triple too. If your gearing is too wide, you might not like it. It's may be good to get up Mt. Diablo, but you might have trouble finding the right gears for everything else.
Something for the OP to think about. Another issue is triples just don't shift as well, regardless of how well they are adjusted.
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Old 09-29-10, 03:59 PM
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So if I'm trekking uphill at a 30-35 degree grade just under 2 miles with a 22/24 combo on a 29 pounder mtb huffin' and puffin', what will the equivalence be on the cogs if I went with the compact running on 34 ring with a sub 19 pounder roadie? Is it even close?
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Old 09-29-10, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gundom66 View Post
So if I'm trekking uphill at a 30-35 degree grade just under 2 miles
I've never heard of anything that steep that's 2 miles long
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Old 09-29-10, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
I've never heard of anything that steep that's 2 miles long
It looks... or feel like it's 30-35. Maybe it's 20-25 degrees - or maybe even a little under 30. Lemme get a protractor real quick...

I'm looking at the protractor and it looks more like 25 degrees. So to be more specific, and sorry for over-exaggerating, but at my level, it just felt like it. Anyway, to be more specific, it starts out gradually up to 10 degrees for about 3/4 of a mile. Then there a sudden shift to about 25 degrees for a good 1/4 mile before it goes back down to probably about 15 or a little under for another 1/2 mile before the second part of 25 degrees for another 1/4 mile kicks in. Then from there on, it's back to 10 degree. I know it gets steeper again, but because I'm already worn out from the 2 quarter-mile steeps, I just give up and head back down. This is on a mtb on the road, and it's when I'm pusing myself and not casual pedalling.

Anyway, I just called Cupertino Bikes and talked to Vance. He mentioned that the Roubaix and the Cervelo R Series are very much alike, but the Cervelo is more responsive than the Specialized. If I wanted to go for comfort instead of race, it's best to go with the R series. He also told me not to go with the 5.2 Madone since it's more of a racier profile even if I was fitted in comfort level. AND... to go with the compact with the 11-28 option. He did note that if I'm after tackling an uphill that maybe too steep for me, to just take it easy and pedal casually until I get accustomed to it and gain strength. Then I can start pounding on it.

They say once you learn you'll never forget, but why do I feel as if I'm so new to this???
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Old 09-29-10, 05:18 PM
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I have no idea which bike you should get.

But I can say that if you ride the crap out of your mountain bike between now and christmas, it will be alot easier to convince the head of the finance committee that you're serious about cycling.

Such people often seem to believe that men are really just impulsive, gear-obsessed little boys with short attention spans, who don't stick with anything for too long. Imagine that!

Plus, you'll get in great shape for when you finally get the road bike.
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Old 09-29-10, 05:29 PM
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I've got an Orbea Orca with a Ultegra 6703 triple and live at 6800 feet with numerous hills (including one at 12,000 ft) surrounding me. Needless to say, at 53, I appreciate the triple and it performs flawlessly. I used to have a Roubaix with a compact and found myself cross chained too often. Love the triple although the lowest gear is still only 12% less than that of the compact. For me, the differences between the compact and the triple are more pronounced on the flats or moderate inclines -- you can put the triple on the 39 chainring and go.
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Old 09-29-10, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gundom66 View Post
It looks... or feel like it's 30-35. Maybe it's 20-25 degrees - or maybe even a little under 30. Lemme get a protractor real quick...
You're in Northern California, right? Where's this???

You could calculate gear-inches to do a simple comparison. I have a little spreadsheet I made to compare various configurations to see what fits me the best.

gear_inches = front_teeth / rear_teeth * wheel_diameter

so, let's do your 22 granny with a 24? that seems to be what you wrote. and be generous on the double. a 34 ring with a 29 in the rear.
22/24 * 26 = 23.8
34/29 * 26.3 (23mm tires) = 31.5

roughly 25% difference. don't know if moving from a mtb to a road will make up for the 25%.

either way, if you're just starting out again, stay off the 30% grades!
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Old 09-29-10, 05:39 PM
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I'm loving my Roubaix Expert. A lot! I have the 6700 triple and enjoy it more than the compact I had on my last bike. I find it shifts really well. I also like the 39 tooth ring just fine, I'm there a lot in the hills. Having 52 tooth ring is fun on decent. Lord knows I don't need it on the flats.

I find the Roubaix to be a very comfortable bike for a 200 mile ride. I ache a lot less after a double than I did on my more racing oriented frame.
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Old 09-29-10, 07:26 PM
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I'm loving my Roubaix Expert. A lot! I have the 6700 triple and enjoy it more than the compact I had on my last bike. I find it shifts really well. I also like the 39 tooth ring just fine, I'm there a lot in the hills. Having 52 tooth ring is fun on decent. Lord knows I don't need it on the flats.

I find the Roubaix to be a very comfortable bike for a 200 mile ride. I ache a lot less after a double than I did on my more racing oriented frame.
Perhaps there is something wrong with mine then.

Could just be the combination of frame flex and q-factor I guess. I'll see what happens when I install the new crankset Saturday.... I thought it would get here Thursday but the tracking # says Saturday
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Hmmm... Two people with flawless 6703s. Maybe my 39 ring is damaged somehow. It only has 800 miles on it and has made a huge racket from the start.

I would just put up with the sound if I had the climbs you guys have.

Biggest grade I go on around here is 8%.
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Perhaps there is something wrong with mine then.

Could just be the combination of frame flex and q-factor I guess. I'll see what happens when I install the new crankset Saturday.... I thought it would get here Thursday but the tracking # says Saturday
I have a 2010 Expert frame. It has a huge bottom bracket shell. I'm only 150 pounds, but I don't note it flexing at all. Did you get your bike new? If so, I'd haul it back to the LBS and have them make it work better.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
Something for the OP to think about. Another issue is triples just don't shift as well, regardless of how well they are adjusted.
The shifting on back between a triple and a compact is the same. The shifting on the front might be a little different but I don't find it to be a problem at all. 90% of the time I am in the middle chain ring. Now that I have said that, I will probably replace my triple with a compact within a year. The reason is that I can put a 50/34 with a 12/27 cassette on the bike and stay in the 50 probably 98% of the time, so I will rarely need to shift the front chain rings. This is the main appeal to me.
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Something for the OP to think about. Another issue is triples just don't shift as well, regardless of how well they are adjusted.
Everyone says this, and it's common BF wisdom. But I was surprised and happy to find it didn't hold true for my bike. YMMV
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Yep, Bike is new.

I don't really care at this point. I have a new FD and chain sitting in the garage. Just waiting for the crank to come. I ordered a 53/39 from Performance Bicycle, only $199 with coupons + free shipping.

I'm really itching to get it installed. I ordered a slightly used one on eBay but two weeks later the dude just finally got around to shipping it. I am refusing the delivery and just getting a brand new one since I got such a good deal on it.

I'm pretty excited to be able to use Shimano's directional chain too. Shimano's documentation says they shouldn't be used with the 6703. So I'm excited to ditch the triple all together.
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dont want to beat a dead horse, but the apex roubaix seems like the best solution for this 'problem.' The price is much less than the other bikes, somewhere around $1800, which should help convince the wife, and the 34-32 gearing is going to get you up all but the absolute worst stuff... I just started riding a road bike for the first time recently, with a 50-34/12-28 and the 34-28 is really not enough gear for someone as fat and slow as I am... I am riding into enough fitness that its not too much of an issue after a few months, but apex would make me feel hill invincible.

A friend of mine just got that bike, and as an added plus, I think its absolutely beautiful.
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Stupid question coming up... When I called Specialized HQ the other day, the guy said the tri-crank Roubaix is 17.5 pounds less the pedals. The Trek dude said the Madone 5.2 is just under 17 less the pedals. Granted these are Ultegras. So for a Compact Apex, how much does that Roubaix weighs now? Just curious even though I already know that it will be much much less than my mtb. I forgot to ask the guy earlier about the weight of the RS.
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Originally Posted by gundom66 View Post
Stupid question coming up... When I called Specialized HQ the other day, the guy said the tri-crank Roubaix is 17.5 pounds less the pedals. The Trek dude said the Madone 5.2 is just under 17 less the pedals. Granted these are Ultegras. So for a Compact Apex, how much does that Roubaix weighs now? Just curious even though I already know that it will be much much less than my mtb. I forgot to ask the guy earlier about the weight of the RS.
I bought my Cervelo RS on closeout last year - 2008 for $2499, full SRAM Force compact. Love it to death. So if you can find the deals, the cost vs. Madone/Roubaix is not much, if any. As for weight - the Cervelo RS frame is 1050g. The R3 is lighter, while the S2 might be heavier (but more aero). If you're looking for comfort, RS has the longest head tube so most "relaxing" posture. Based on a review from Competitive Cyclist, I think they basically determined that if you're looking for speed, the S series will be faster. But for all around comfort and climbing, the R series is better. My RS weighs around 15.5 lbs with SRAM Force kit, Easton Orion wheels, and Look Keo carbon pedals.
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Originally Posted by gundom66 View Post
Stupid question coming up... When I called Specialized HQ the other day, the guy said the tri-crank Roubaix is 17.5 pounds less the pedals. The Trek dude said the Madone 5.2 is just under 17 less the pedals. Granted these are Ultegras. So for a Compact Apex, how much does that Roubaix weighs now? Just curious even though I already know that it will be much much less than my mtb. I forgot to ask the guy earlier about the weight of the RS.
It's gonna be heavier by a little bit, but I would guess its still under 20. My view on that, being budget limited, is that water weighs 8 lbs per gallon. If I forget to pee before I ride it makes up the difference between the bikes. I think the difference between a 17.5 lb bike and a 19 lb bike may matter when I am racing, but until then, it just isn't worth the money to upgrade for weight alone. I doubt I could even tell the difference on my newbie legs.
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I have some time to really think about this one. I'm gonna do my own shopping behind the wife and if the signal turns green in a couple of months, then I know what to pick. As long as the bike is sub-20, I'll be more than happy. I can just keep on practicing on my 29-pounder mtb to get some of my legs back.

Anyway, out of curiosity, I drove up the road I went to last month with my bike after work yesterday, and it's no 25 degree climb. There are some turns where it maybe a 25 degree angle, but it's a quick turn. The majority of it is below 20 degrees... I think. Odd! It looked and felt like a steep mountain that morning when I gave it a shot. And that was my third time I've tried it. However, the first time really felt like I was climbing the "Leaning Tower of Pisa" on bike! LOL. I guess I just really need to practice my climbs and build my legs once again.

Well, thank you all for your contribution! I really appreciated everyone's comments. Now I have 4 bikes to look at and test ride. And a choice of whether I go Triple Ultegra, Compact Ultegra with 11-28, or Compact Apex with 11-32. If anyone wishes to continue posting their thoughts in here, please feel free. I'm still interested to see more opinions on new and current posters.
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Anyway, out of curiosity, I drove up the road I went to last month with my bike after work yesterday, and it's no 25 degree climb. There are some turns where it maybe a 25 degree angle, but it's a quick turn. The majority of it is below 20 degrees... I think.
Where?
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Anyway, out of curiosity, I drove up the road I went to last month with my bike after work yesterday, and it's no 25 degree climb. There are some turns where it maybe a 25 degree angle, but it's a quick turn. The majority of it is below 20 degrees... I think. Odd!
A 25 degree climb would be a 46% grade (just take the tangent of the degrees). 20 degrees would be a 36% grade. I'd bet all of it is below 20 degrees.
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You didn't get my PM yesterday? Quimby Road from Murillo up. There is this one somewhat "short" steep on Tully Rd between Flint Ave and Ruby I had a hard time on the first time I rode my mtb after the purchase. Imagine being out of it for so many years and suddenly dove in without any hesitation... only to get off the bike halfway up while on a 22/32 gear. O.o That day SUCKED!!! And since then, I promised that I will conquer that small climb. I have no issues on that climb anymore, but I'm building my legs to be able to do it on a 32 front and 24 rear. I don't bike everyday anymore since it's getting darker when I get home from work. So I can only do it now on weekends. Maybe I should try this weekend... I do go to Montgomery Hill (behind Evergreen College) a lot to practice my climbs on dirt. I wanna try to tackle Sierra Rd someday. From recollection back in high school, that first climb is steep and long.

To the rest of the community, sorry for this short "out of topic" discussion with alancommike. As you all can see, we live in the same city. We'll try to keep it in PM.

I'll call Trek later and see what they have to say about the "comfort" ride on the 5.2 Madone. It looks like a normal carbon frame and fork and the only difference is the fitting. H2 for performance and comfort and H3 for full comfort. I may even go there this weekend and check out Cupertino Bike and mikesbikes to check out the Cervelo, Look, and Specialized.
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