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RUOkie 10-06-10 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by surgeonstone (Post 11582564)
Oh...I see... so by vigorous antidoping protocols we shall have drug free high schools and middle schools? I feel so relieved.

no, but if we ignore the problem by sticking our heads in the sand, the only thing that the kids will see is the reward, without any of the risk.

alexp247365 10-06-10 07:50 PM

Not enough collateral damage at the top for a positive test IMO. Raise the limits of what is ok to be in the athlete's system so false positives are almost impossible, but at the same time, any positive test above the limits results in a lifetime ban of anyone associated with the team from the sport of cycling.

I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to try and dope in an environment where getting caught takes away 50-100 others people's ability to put food on the table.

Matt2.8NJ 10-06-10 08:05 PM

To reduce the preponderance of doping in the pro peloton... put pressure on the sponsors.

It would be interesting to see just how fast corporate sponsorship would dry up if an anti-doping bond were required... say $2-5 million annually, in that if any of 25 riders on a ProTour team received an adverse analytical finding, the team would forefit their bond on deposit with the UCI (or third party escrow).

I firmly believe that there are a host of drugs out there already which no one really knows about publicly yet, are untestable at the moment, and are in widespread use.

save10 10-07-10 08:32 AM

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...lastics_145229

sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'

crhilton 10-07-10 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by save10 (Post 11585124)
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...lastics_145229

sorry if already posted. Here is a really good article on stuff related to 'the problem'

Thanks, I don't check velonews enough myself so I missed this.

nanan 10-07-10 10:15 AM

I was a bit shocked how open he was about it and even confused as I know there are quite a few law enforcement people who go to this gym.

achoo 10-07-10 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by alexp247365 (Post 11582991)
Not enough collateral damage at the top for a positive test IMO. Raise the limits of what is ok to be in the athlete's system so false positives are almost impossible, but at the same time, any positive test above the limits results in a lifetime ban of anyone associated with the team from the sport of cycling.

There's no level of drugs like Clenbuterol that's acceptable.

Doping is a science - the metabolism of the PEDs is well-known. Contador got busted because the new lab can detect levels Contador and/or his doctor(s) thought were undectable.


I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to try and dope in an environment where getting caught takes away 50-100 others people's ability to put food on the table.
Never met a professional athlete trying to win a world-class event, have you? You'd better believe they'd risk tossing away the lives of 50-100 others if they thought it improved their chances of winning.

achoo 10-07-10 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by nanan (Post 11585613)
I was a bit shocked how open he was about it and even confused as I know there are quite a few law enforcement people who go to this gym.

Who do you think he's selling to?

Let's put it this way: steroid and other PED use among LEOs is not unheard of...

RUOkie 10-07-10 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by nanan (Post 11585613)
I was a bit shocked how open he was about it and even confused as I know there are quite a few law enforcement people who go to this gym.


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 11585657)
Who do you think he's selling to?

Let's put it this way: steroid and other PED use among LEOs is not unheard of...

here in rural OK, we had a gym owner who went to jail for drugs, and the gym was seized by RICO. He had multiple forms of steroids, HGH, xanax, extacy, and some others. He also had relations with a doctor whom he would "refer patients to" for PEDs. When he was deposed, he gave up his client list which included a bunch of HS football, track, and baseball players (boys and girls)who's names were sealed, some regular gym rats, and a bunch of local cops.

ahsposo 10-07-10 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by RUOkie (Post 11585698)
here in rural OK, we had a gym owner who went to jail for drugs, and the gym was seized by RICO. He had multiple forms of steroids, HGH, xanax, extacy, and some others. He also had relations with a doctor whom he would "refer patients to" for PEDs. When he was deposed, he gave up his client list which included a bunch of HS football, track, and baseball players (boys and girls)who's names were sealed, some regular gym rats, and a bunch of local cops.

I'm SHOCKED! I tell you I'm Shocked!

Having "relations" with a doctor. What's next? A lawyer?

RUOkie 10-07-10 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 11586282)
I'm SHOCKED! I tell you I'm Shocked!

Having "relations" with a doctor. What's next? A lawyer?

I know, right?

kissTheApex 10-08-10 11:48 AM

astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine

hmmm....

slowandsteady 10-08-10 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by EventServices (Post 11572252)
It would scare me enough to know that they can find trace amounts of the plastic bag that carried my blood into the hotel.

I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.

"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"

Cedar is carcinogenic.

Barese Rider 10-08-10 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Ihsan Gin (Post 11592014)
astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine

hmmm....

Interesting.

SBRDude 10-08-10 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Barese Rider (Post 11593326)
Interesting.

the plot thins.

Barese Rider 10-08-10 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by SBRDude (Post 11593360)
the plot thins.

If the doping authorities get ahold of that source Alberto might as well pack it in.

achoo 10-08-10 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Barese Rider (Post 11593387)
If the doping authorities get ahold of that source Roberto might as well pack it in.

Who's Roberto?

surgeonstone 10-08-10 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Ihsan Gin (Post 11592014)
astana source alleges Contador used clenbuterol at Criterium du Dauphine

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asta...um-du-dauphine

hmmm....

Ya know...it just makes me want to throw up! I am not sure I can ever spend time watching pro events on the tube again. Maybe I'll just go for a ride instead.

znomit 10-08-10 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 11594096)
Who's Roberto?

Spanish beef farmer?

ColorChange 10-08-10 06:24 PM

My thinkest thou dost protest too much.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...outlets_145469


Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.

achoo 10-09-10 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by ColorChange (Post 11594299)
My thinkest thou dost protest too much.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...outlets_145469

Blowhard.


Alberto Contador says he’s not going to take it anymore and has moved to legally challenge media outlets for “absolute lack of veracity.”
Yeah, right. He's going to sue media outlets and open himself up to having their lawyers digging through his entire medical history?



Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.
Cow. Doping COW. ;)

botto 10-09-10 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by ColorChange (Post 11594299)
My thinkest thou dost protest too much.

Maybe if you named the meat shop, shop owner confirmed the purchase, named the supplying farm, and identified other tainted cattle on said farm (through testing), then showed the levels you had could/would result from consuming said beef, you would have my attention. Otherwise ... sayonara you doping swine.

big fan of cliffsnotes in high school, were you?

roadwarrior 10-09-10 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by ColorChange (Post 11572489)
I'm so glad he's getting popped. Can't stand AC. I know they all cheat, but at least be a decent guy about it ...

Did I just type that?

It's OK to cheat as long as you are a nice guy. Got it. :)

roadwarrior 10-09-10 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 11585649)
Never met a professional athlete trying to win a world-class event, have you? You'd better believe they'd risk tossing away the lives of 50-100 others if they thought it improved their chances of winning.

Kinda the reason I quit racing for cash.

Read the book, "A Dog in a Hat".

patentcad 10-09-10 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 11596165)
It's OK to cheat as long as you are a nice guy. Got it. :)

This anti-Alberto mentality here is unfathomable. If he got popped for doping, that's bad enough, and very bad for the whole sport, but the glee I'm witnessing on the web on this is pretty friggin moronic.


But in keeping with the typical bike weenie mentality. Carry on.


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