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10-05-10, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hammy56
who would that be? The "clean" guy?
10-05-10, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
no, the little scrawny, sweaty guy with the crappy transmission.
10-05-10, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link
Rumor has it that he ducked back down the alley
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
10-05-10, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hammy56
who would that be? The "clean" guy?
You mean the clean-er guy, or the clean-ish guy.
The guy less dirty or doped.
10-05-10, 06:51 AM
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I'm so glad he's getting popped. Can't stand AC. I know they all cheat, but at least be a decent guy about it ...
Did I just type that?
Did I just type that?
10-05-10, 07:07 AM
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And meanwhile amateur folks are training at wee hours of the morning or late at night... just to bump their ftp for mere 10's of watts.
Sad
Sad
10-05-10, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link
Rumor has it that he ducked back down the alley
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
10-05-10, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
a) If it's proven true would it be shocking given the number of grand tour contenders who have gotten caught in recent years? b) if it's proven true how could the phrase witch hunt at all be connected?
Let's just hope cycling can ever get a handle on this. I'm starting to have my doubts. That plastic transfusion bag residue test is a good one eh? That's new. So now they'll store the blood in pepsi bottles.
10-05-10, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by logdrum
And meanwhile amateur folks are training at wee hours of the morning or late at night... just to bump their ftp for mere 10's of watts.
Sad
Sad
They ride bikes, I ride bikes - there the comparison ends.
10-05-10, 07:32 AM
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That's it. I'm going to start doping.
Oh wait.
I can't afford it and I'm afraid of needles.
Never mind.
Oh wait.
I can't afford it and I'm afraid of needles.
Never mind.
10-05-10, 07:38 AM
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Anyone read the article in Outdoors about Novitsky gunning for Armstrong? The Elliott Ness of the FDA apparently...
10-05-10, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rollin
"Can you categorically prove that it's not a trace from the plastic IV bag that they used to give the cow the growth hormones that my client accidentally ingested in his steak dinner?"
Why would a Wookie, an eight-foot tall Wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does NOT MAKE SENSE! [the jury listens] But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. [Gerald buries his head in his hand, shaking his haed at the disaster his case is being turned into] Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does NOT MAKE SENSE! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a Tour de France winner, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [apporaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does NOT MAKE SENSE! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. [walks back to his table]
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Originally Posted by EventServices
It would scare me enough to know that they can find trace amounts of the plastic bag that carried my blood into the hotel.
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
I wonder if that same test could taste the cedar plank that my salmon was infused with, because I sure can't.
"The cedar plank is soaked in water, and then when set on top of a grill. The wood smoke caused by direct heat is infused in the salmon and creates a great flavor that pairs nicely with the Maple Syrup and Mustard Glaze"
Change to Maple Syrup and minced Garlic. Far more flavorful.
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10-05-10, 07:58 AM
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Actually from a legal point of view, this lays out very interestingly.
Given that the test for the plastecizer apparently has not been fully validated yet, they can't sanction him for blood doping on the basis of that test.
However, to the extent Contador tries to explain the chenbuterol positive, with the tainted meat theory, and argues that the very low level is evidence of that, he opens the door to the sanctioning authority to rebut that theory by showing its explained by blood doping with blood containing a small amount of chenbuterol.
So the evidence of the plastecizer doesn't come in as a violation in its own right, but as a rebuttal to Contador's defense.
This puts AC in a real box, either offer no defense to the chenbuterol, and lose, or open the door for the plastecizer test.
Given that the test for the plastecizer apparently has not been fully validated yet, they can't sanction him for blood doping on the basis of that test.
However, to the extent Contador tries to explain the chenbuterol positive, with the tainted meat theory, and argues that the very low level is evidence of that, he opens the door to the sanctioning authority to rebut that theory by showing its explained by blood doping with blood containing a small amount of chenbuterol.
So the evidence of the plastecizer doesn't come in as a violation in its own right, but as a rebuttal to Contador's defense.
This puts AC in a real box, either offer no defense to the chenbuterol, and lose, or open the door for the plastecizer test.
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10-05-10, 08:13 AM
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Twinkie's wrappers contain no plastecizers. Yet another reason to enjoy their wholesome goodness.
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is there anyone in that sport who doesn't cheat?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I'm not sure I follow. a) If it's proven true would it be shocking given the number of grand tour contenders who have gotten caught in recent years? b) if it's proven true how could the phrase witch hunt at all be connected?
10-05-10, 08:19 AM
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Are plasticizers found exclusively in plastic IV bags? So they found the chemical, does it mean it came from IV bags?
But really...I don't care
But really...I don't care
10-05-10, 08:21 AM
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Merlin ... LOL! You must have loved the OJ trial.
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
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Given the ridiculous sensitivity of these tests - I mean, come on, picograms? - and given just how hard the hammer comes down on people who are caught - I'm amazed that anyone who is a serious GC contender would be doing any sort of doping.
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
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A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
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don't they use IV's for hydration?
10-05-10, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RecceDG
Given the ridiculous sensitivity of these tests - I mean, come on, picograms? - and given just how hard the hammer comes down on people who are caught - I'm amazed that anyone who is a serious GC contender would be doing any sort of doping.
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
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10-05-10, 08:40 AM
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Quit drinking water out of plastic bottles. They will now get you for that.
10-05-10, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by logdrum
And meanwhile amateur folks are training at wee hours of the morning or late at night... just to bump their ftp for mere 10's of watts.
Sad
Sad
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