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I'm amazed that anyone that even casually follows cycling could be that naive.
Just a recent sample of proven or admitted dopers that won Grand Tours, rode high on GC, won stages of Grand Tours, and/or jersey winners at Grand Tours.
Originally Posted by RecceDG
- I'm amazed that anyone who is a serious GC contender would be doing any sort of doping.
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
A domestique doping, that I get. But anybody in the top ranks? That's insane.
DG
- Riis
- Pantani
- Di Luca
- Millar
- Heras
- Hondo
- Basso
- Gonzalez
- Landis
- Hamilton
- Ullrich
- Vinokourov
- Pettachi
- Mayo
- Schumaker
- Kohl
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- Rasmussen
- Ricco
- Valverde
Just a recent sample of proven or admitted dopers that won Grand Tours, rode high on GC, won stages of Grand Tours, and/or jersey winners at Grand Tours.
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10-05-10, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
Yup .... to try and keep up with the Cat 2,3 and masters 35+ & 45+ that dope too ... It ain't just the pros.
I've got a prescription from the Anti aging clinic for the testosterone,and the HGH. Haven't you heard of low T?
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nah - what they should just do is have two awards. If you win but fail *any* test your winnings are 10% of what they would be and they get moved down the list from you to the next guy who didnt get caught. That way incentive is to place high in the rankings but dope less.
Any other ideas?
Any other ideas?
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link
Rumor has it that he ducked back down the alley
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
With some roly-poly little bat-faced girl
All along along
There were incidents and accidents
There were hints and allegations
Who'll be my role-model
Now that my role-model is
Gone Gone
The rest is just sad.
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Originally Posted by billh92109
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Any other ideas?
Any other ideas?
As it is now, they just throw the "rogue" rider under the bus and move on. Serious penalities for the powers that be would at least put a significant dent in doping.
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Originally Posted by ColorChange
Merlin ... LOL! You must have loved the OJ trial.
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
The test for phthalates (typical plasticizers) is a piece of cake and can be extremely accurate so the analytical side of this one is easy. Of course now he's going to say he stores all his food at home, for weeks at a time, in tupperware containers in the fridge.
(Actually, tupperware probably wouldn't do it to significant levels, but you get the idea.)
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10-05-10, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by scotch
is there anyone in that sport who doesn't cheat?
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Hey, watch it.
I've got a prescription from the Anti aging clinic for the testosterone,and the HGH. Haven't you heard of low T?
I've got a prescription from the Anti aging clinic for the testosterone,and the HGH. Haven't you heard of low T?
(no, I haven't been, and don't have a prescription)
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And I was being facetious.
I do know someone though that doesn't race but is using testosterone. From all reports its not hard to get.
I do know someone though that doesn't race but is using testosterone. From all reports its not hard to get.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
Correct.
Let's just hope cycling can ever get a handle on this. I'm starting to have my doubts. That plastic transfusion bag residue test is a good one eh? That's new. So now they'll store the blood in pepsi bottles.
Let's just hope cycling can ever get a handle on this. I'm starting to have my doubts. That plastic transfusion bag residue test is a good one eh? That's new. So now they'll store the blood in pepsi bottles.
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
Are plasticizers found exclusively in plastic IV bags? So they found the chemical, does it mean it came from IV bags?
But really...I don't care
But really...I don't care
HOWEVER, you would end up with plasticizers in your blood stream from any IV bag use. Is getting plasma (say, to combat dehydration) illegal?
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Noble idea but won't you just chase the sponsors from the sport ?
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Impose serious sanctions against the Team Owners and the director sportif's. No way systemativ doping goes on without at least their tacit approval.
As it is now, they just throw the "rogue" rider under the bus and move on. Serious penalities for the powers that be would at least put a significant dent in doping.
As it is now, they just throw the "rogue" rider under the bus and move on. Serious penalities for the powers that be would at least put a significant dent in doping.
10-05-10, 09:19 AM
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Noble idea but won't you just chase the sponsors from the sport ?
10-05-10, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
And I was being facetious.
I do know someone though that doesn't race but is using testosterone. From all reports its not hard to get.
I do know someone though that doesn't race but is using testosterone. From all reports its not hard to get.
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Originally Posted by EventServices
Awesome! Great use of a semi-obscure song lyric.
As if everybody would know exactly what I was talking about.
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Originally Posted by JoeOxfordCT
Noble idea but won't you just chase the sponsors from the sport ?
Two, to the extent it would drive away sponsors, it becomes the ultimate hammer; real consequences to the people in control that could actually alter behavior.
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Understood, but I think the response by the manager/owners has just been to have the best (read - undetectable) doping programs possible....
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Two, to the extent it would drive away sponsors, it becomes the ultimate hammer; real consequences to the people in control that could actually alter behavior.
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Originally Posted by scotch
is there anyone in that sport who doesn't cheat?
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People here don't get it.
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Originally Posted by JoeOxfordCT
Understood, but I think the response by the manager/owners has just been to have the best (read - undetectable) doping programs possible....
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
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Originally Posted by JoeOxfordCT
Understood, but I think the response by the manager/owners has just been to have the best (read - undetectable) doping programs possible....
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
If your a sponsor why would you support a clean but uncompetitive pro level team year after year ?
They do it because there is little consequence to getting caught. You simply say, "we're shocked that Rider X tested positive, it's against everything we stand for", you kick him to the curb, and go on doping.
Conversely, if other teams are doping there's strong incentive to allow a doping program because Sponsors don't want a noncompetitive team.
So all the incentives line up for DS's to encourage or allow doping.
If you want to fix the problem you have to change those incentives.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I continue to remain clean. Meanwhile, I now assume that everyone who is faster than me is now cheating.
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Maybe a 2 year ban isn't harsh enough.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I continue to remain clean. Meanwhile, I now assume that everyone who is faster than me is now cheating.
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Originally Posted by patentcad
I can take that rationalization a step further Gomer. The way I see it, since everyone is naturally (and unfairly) faster than me, my own use of a motorcycle would only serve to level the playing field somewhat.
