Old need not mean willing to take crazy risks. I take it you are unfamiliar with the meaning of the teardrop.

I know what it means. This is Greater Albuquerque, for a while number one city for the COPS show so we have gangs here too. And yes HR folks probably get schooled on that too. But historically it was not really that (symbol for murdering or membership in some of the Latino gangs). It was a mourning symbol. Just as the swastika is on display without creating apprehension in India as you know. My response was to tattoos in general and the perception that you won't get hired if you had one. My colleague is a DBA with the bushing on his ear and some noticeable ink on his arm. Hired out of college in 2001. He has been promoted too 2 pay grades since then. I was in the interview team and I was told by the HR to look past the ear-ring and ink and just grill him technically.

fixed

Different professions have different standards. Tech professions are far looser about appearances to the point that looking sharp is frowned up. People won't find it strange if I wear tevas, shorts, a Hawaiian shirt, or a leather jacket when I'm on a podium and it seems like most people I work with have ink. But any of these things could hold you back quite a bit in other professions.

The problem is that you need context to make sense out of those things, and first impressions don't give you a chance to deliver context. There are swastikas all over India (actually it appears in many traditions, including Western ones), and only an idiot would connect any of these with Nazism. But I think it's also fair to say that just because some people can pull something off because it's part of their cultural heritage does not mean that others can simply adopt these customs and expect the same treatment.

oh sorry, I didn't realize discrimination was solely a legal term. I didn't realize it could also have something to do with morals and ethics. By assuming that anyone with a tattoo is a degenerate, you are creating a group. The fact Flea Biscuit discriminates and is a bigot has nothing to do with the law, and everything to do with the fact he's worthless as a human being.

It is a legal term. I discriminate when I choose the restaurant that is clean over the one with bugs. I discriminate when I choose a mate that I am attracted to over the one with buck teeth. I discriminate when I decide to promote an individual because they are pleasant, hard working, and showed initiative over the one who comes in late and leaves early.. It is discrimination when they don't let criminals or the severely mentally ill get a gun license. It is called having standards. It isn't unethical.

Not all discrimination is wrong and most isn't illegal for obvious reasons.

I have no issue weeding out people based on behavior, past behavior, and how they decide to present themselves.

Clearly, though discrimination on the basis of things you cannot control(race, creed, color, sex, age) and that have zero bearing on your abilities should be wrong.

You should be sorry, sorry for being a complete moron. I never said I discriminated against people with tattoos, at least not any more than the average person in America does. I was merely stating that people with visible ink (sleeves, neck, hand or face tattoos in particular) are giving themselves unnecessary challenges in life. I would not hire the strange looking "white power" facial tattoo guy in the picture (a couple pages ago) to interface with customers. If that makes me a worthless human being and a bigot in your opinion, so be it. Also, at the risk of being called shallow, superficial or worse, I would not hire that Manson guy with the swastika to do work around my house or babysit. If this offends you, please accept my sincerest apologies.

I'm sure there are people who think sleeves, facial, hand and neck tattoos are cool. I would just advise against them unless you are old enough to understand the consequences of your actions. Expecting the world to overlook the appearance of someone with visible tats is honorable in some regards but, IMO, is naive and unrealistic. Advising a young person that visible tats are not going to affect employment prospects is irresponsible and, IMO, immoral. Especially if you make money (as the earlier poster who attacked me personally) as a tattoo artist.

That's all. Please feel free to continue the attacks.

Cheers,

FB

I think im going to get a fleabiscuit tattoo

none of this argument has anything to do with the OP, which is whether tattoos are damaged by road rash.

it's sad that tattoo threads degenerate into the same you vs me mudslinging that the gun threads do.

take it to P&R and let the tattooed cyclists have a reasonable discussion.

Answer: Yes, tattoos can be damaged by road rash

Tattoos involve the injection of ink intradermally. Any injury to the skin deep enough to affect this inked layer will permanently alter the tattoo.

big·ot

noun \ˈbi-gət\
Definition of BIGOT

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

I think it fits pretty well. You're insulting all the members on BF that have tattoos without knowing who they are or what they've accomplished in life. You're making condescending and ignorant remarks to Hammy about his profession (without having the courage to state what you do), and anyone that doesn't agree with you is a moron. Now go to a tattoo shop and let everyone know how you feel. I bet you won't be as tough without the keyboard and monitor.

He probably doesn't have a job.

I have a job! If you have to know, I roll cigars with Yaniel in Miami, mang.

Verrrrry interesting. I'm a member of "Corporate America" and a little ink hasn't prevented me from hiring anyone so far. When I'm interviewing a candidate, I look for the "best fit" education/experience/attitude, not (shallow) appearances. FYI - my company is an ENR Top 500 consulting engineering firm.

Edit - I still wouldn't get a tat myself, but that's because I have a serious aversion to needles (read phobia). It was hard enough just getting a piercing!

I don't wear glasses.

What a coincidence dude!

I got 138 tatooed to my arm too!

+1 - like it or not, facial tats in particular are well outside of societal norms - neck and hand tats slightly less so. Sleeves are not a problem for you if you wear a business shirt.

Traditional corporate environments are extremely "norming" places. Particularly for consulting, sales etc where you will come into outside people. In many places you don't want to wear a tie that is too loud let alone mark yourself as even more of an outsider.

This culture is changing however in many verticals. Where I am in banking and finance however it is still conservative.

I wish. The one family in cigars I know down here are multi-millionaires. Some of the family members even have tattoos. ::gasp:: But like usual, you're deflecting. Love to take jabs at people, but aren't man enough to admit anything.

I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up facial tattoos, this thread is about sleeves. Facial tattoos are still extremely rare and generally taboo, but that's not what was being asked about in this thread. For any interest, hobby, etc, the extreme cases are usually not well received. That goes from stamp collecting, to anything you can imagine.

I was responding to what was written with the point being (that was probably not very well spelt out) that sleeves should not be an issue in the corporate world. What's under your suit is your private space.

Glad you cleared that up for yourself.

So to sum it up: you admittedly discriminate against and prejudge people while hiding behind the "I'm an average American" (ie old, white, conservative) curtain, you deflect when asked about your own life and job as it relates to the discussion while putting down others occupations, and you resort to ad hominum attacks when your arguments are challenged.

yea, i know. I just used yours as the quote because it was the most recent to mention facial tattoos.

...on your penis no doubt.

Can we have less girly slapping and more pics please?

how about this pic?

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Now that is classy.

"That's what I'm talking about"............

Do it like this.

Go advanced.

Right click on the image and Copy Image Location

Menu above message box select the one to the right of the envelope.

Paste.

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Voila!

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