i had the option. i did choose chorus. it was definitely cheaper than red too.

If I could have gotten Chorus for anywhere close to what I paid for my red/force setup I would be riding campy right now.

I love how everything on Bikeforums turns into this gigantic pissing contest, don't get my wrong it is extremely entertaining. And actually I run shimano now which I like but have also ridden a little bit of sram and love doubletap. When I upgrade my bike in the spring it will have sram, or atleast thats what I'm thinking at this point.

This thread was not meant to be yet another troll on the shimano vs. campy vs. sram debate.

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No one's thrown up a screen shot of the BK commercial yet? Lazy bastards! Fine, I will -
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it looks like he was correct. we all agree that money aside, chorus is preferable

Maybe not. But you knew the debate was bound to happen anyway. I mean, this is Bike Forums.

I never said price wasn't a factor. I'm talking about the price to quality factor. As so eloquently stated by Angry Scientist, the shift quality to price factor is huge with Campagnolo. Honestly, having ridden Veloce, Centaur, Record, and Super Record, they all shift essentially the same. And I, personally, believe that Campagnolo shifting is far better than Shimano.

Case and point:

By the way, cmsuter, I'm not having a pissing contest. I'm having a conversation which is debating pros and cons of various cycling component manufacturers.

My girlfriend likes the thumb shifters and her first experience using anything like it was with Sora. She now has Athena 11. I wouldn't mind having Chorus on my next bike if I could get it for a good price.

Also I got her Athena 11 installed by a Campy certified shop and the mechanic even told me that Chorus, Record, and Super Record perform exactly the same and that the only difference is the amount of carbon fiber used in each group to reduce weight.

Let's not get into semantics now too.

I can pee farther than the average Campy user.

:D :lol: :roflmao2:

Lance never used Campy in the Tour de France so it has to suck.

I actually thought this way for a while until I started climbing mountains out in CA and then went on a cycling trip to the Alps and the Dolomites.

SRAM's single lever design is great for riding in NY but it's sort of a pain for climbing in the mountains. I like to accelerate out of hairpins, especially right-handers, by going to 3 higher gears and then dropping back down 2 and then 1 more. This REALLY sucks on SRAM because this whole process takes 5 finger motions whereas on Campagnolo it would be 3.

I guess we will see what's what when I get my Campagnolo bike built up.

Not everyone races. I ride because it's fun, it keeps me sane, and it's a better alternative IMO than blowing it on hard liquor, drugs, and prostitutes.

Also, Campy does not cost more than SRAM or Shimano. It really depends where you get your stuff from. I was one of the first people on the east coast to be using SRAM Red. I was my LBS' guinea pig when SRAM Red came out. The reason why I got SRAM Red in the first place was because it was cheaper--significantly--than either DA7800 or Campy Record 10 at the time. SRAM Red is actually more expensive now than DA7900 at most bike shops where I live.

And the bottom line: Campy just looks good. True story.

I am getting my budget together to upgrade my groupo and it will be either Campy Chorus or SRAM Red. I currently have a Campy triple and I want to replace it with a compact.

Shiny Bikes has 2011 Chorus for $1,146. Last summer I could have bought 2010 Chorus for around $1,000 but the exchange rate is worse now.

Total Cycling has SRAM Red for $1,649, which is $503 more than Chorus. I also would need to re-dish two rear wheels which are probably $150 each so going with Chorus is a much cheaper option. Also, I called SRAM and asked them if their stuff was rebuildable, they said the shifters are simple and it would be easy to rebuild them but they don't sell the parts.

Being able to jump 5 gears in one click with Campy is something I really like.

As for shifting from the drops, I have 2003 shifters on my triple and it isn't all that easy to shift from the drops mainly because it take more force to move the button that I can easily do from the drops. However, I have noticed that Campy made a huge improvement on the 11 speed shifters. I was playing around with them at a bike shop and shifting them from the drops probably wouldn't be difficult at all. The button is positioned better and has a much lighter action.

For once I agree wholeheartedly with AngryScientist

Never tried a Shimano but 5 years back went from Campy Nuevo Record to the new super record. The thumb levers were awkward for about 5 minutes...now I would never change. I love the thumb levers, in the drops or on the hoods...they rock.

One thing I would really like to see with Campy is an 11/28 cassette. My options now are either a 12/27 or a 12/29. I would rarely if ever use a 29 but there is always that possibility that I might need it. An 11/28 would seem to be a much better option.

Campy is an extremely well Built product, It all just comes down to personal preference. I dont have a bike outfitted with campy, But if the right deal came around then i would jump on it in a heartbeat, But thats just my opinion.

This may be slightly off-topic but here goes. Whenever this discussion comes up inevitably a lot of it centers around the thumb levers. There's a set of people who shout "you can shift just fine from the drops" and another set who says "it's awkward to shift from the drops." Is it at all possible for someone with Campy to post a video while on a trainer and zoomed in on the handlebars showing what it looks like to shift the thumb levers from the drops?

That's completely possible; however, I fail to see how it would matter at all. Everyone is shaped differently, and thus, the video would just be showing one person's ability to shift adequately from the drops.

I'm able to shift just fine from the drops and would post a video, but I don't own a trainer. Thank the California weather.

Never had a problem shifting from a drops on my Campy stuff.

The two big perks for me were the "slam both thumbs down to downshift to the small ring and not have the gear ratio change as you head into a hill" shift, thanks to the Campy ratcheting mechanism, and having the thumb button in rather convenient positioning to change gear while on the tops with my pinky.

Its all good stuff. Anyone who throws out red herrings like Campy is way too pricey because Super Record is more expensive than Rival is just looking to flamebait.


SRAM, Shimano and Campy are all good stuff. I looked at Campy after having a pair of Ultegra shifters die on me mid ride. Admittedly, they died after about 8 years of use and thousands upon thousands of trouble free miles. But buying new shifters whole hog to replace them was expensive business.

I do have Rival on my cross bike, and love that stuff as well. Its all good. Different strokes for different folks.

That is why I am moving from shimano. I had a shifter go out after only 2000 miles, which is absolutely ridiculous. They are virtually unservicable so I had to get a completely new one. I sent the shifter to shimano to look at, they confirmed that it was a warranty issue or something of that sort, and sent me a new one. This entire process took about 3 weeks, all of which were spent racing. This was an inconvenience, and I was happy that shimano replaced it for free, but it was an inconvenience none the less. 2000 miles is nothing either so, I will try my hand at another brand.

I like the shape of the hoods. They're more comfortable for my hands than my Shimano hoods are.

not sure where in norcal you live, but the rain the past few weekends here has made me wish i owned one...