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Speedplay yes/no?

Old 11-22-10, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lpolliard View Post
And then this happened...thats his story and he is sticking to it. There is no way umd would have forgotten to unclip.
The whole thing was staged for BF entertainment
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Old 11-22-10, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lpolliard View Post
And then this happened...thats his story and he is sticking to it. There is no way umd would have forgotten to unclip.
Isn't it hard to ride a bike like that?

Of course this is umd that we are talking about!
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Old 11-22-10, 09:40 PM
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Another boon for Speedplays:

The engagement comes from the cleats, not the pedals. That means that when the engagement wears out (as it will, as it does in all pedals eventually), you only need to replace the cleats and you have essentially a new pedal system. In other platforms, the engagement is a spring in the pedal, and when that goes, you need a whole new pedal.

100/200$ for pedals v 25$ for cleats?

Nuff said.
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Old 11-22-10, 10:09 PM
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If you're looking for float, the Speedplay X gets the job done. Downside to Speedplay is the cleat--where the clip system is--can clog. Use Coffee Shop Caps off the bike.
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Old 11-22-10, 10:18 PM
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Never. Cleats are very poor design - unreasonably susceptible to fouling by dirt and debris, unreasonable to walk in. Weight "advantage" of minimilist pedal is nearly negated by huge cleat. Double sided entry is a non-issue. Float is non issue for almost everyone because other systems have adequate float.

I would never buy a pedal system that is so unreasonable to walk even short distances in and was so susceptible to fouling.

If other pedal systems' float is inadequate for you, sure go with the Speedplay. Otherwise my recommendation is go with any of the other common systems: Look, Shimano, Time are all good and better in the issues I mentioned above.

Just my opinion of course, but I think that's what you're looking for.
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Old 11-22-10, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Camilo View Post
Never. Cleats are very poor design - unreasonably susceptible to fouling by dirt and debris, unreasonable to walk in. Weight "advantage" of minimilist pedal is nearly negated by huge cleat. Double sided entry is a non-issue. Float is non issue for almost everyone because other systems have adequate float.

I would never buy a pedal system that is so unreasonable to walk even short distances in and was so susceptible to fouling.

If other pedal systems' float is inadequate for you, sure go with the Speedplay. Otherwise my recommendation is go with any of the other common systems: Look, Shimano, Time are all good and better in the issues I mentioned above.

Just my opinion of course, but I think that's what you're looking for.
Have you ever used Speedplay pedals or are you just stating what others have said? I do not find the pedals difficult to walk in at all. As for them being easily fouled, in four years of using Speedplay pedals I haven't fouled them even once.

I was a Shimano user before I switched to Speedplay. The Shimano pedals had their issues and it was the reason I am now on Speedplay and I will never go back. Speedplay pedals are a very easy to live with.
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Old 11-22-10, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by thesmoothdome View Post
Really? Wow! I lubed my first set of cleats for a while, but have never bothered to do so since then or clean them out. I've never had an issue clipping in or out. Shrug.
I get squeaking sounds if I don't lube the cleat's ring.
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Old 11-23-10, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Randochap View Post
If you're looking for float, the Speedplay X gets the job done. Downside to Speedplay is the cleat--where the clip system is--can clog. Use Coffee Shop Caps off the bike.
I didn't want to bother with cleat covers, so I've used CB and Time, clomping through the dirt and mud if I have to and not worrying about clipping in.
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Old 11-23-10, 07:21 PM
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So for someone coming from a SPD pedal - PD-M520 to be specific set on the lightest tension - and thinking about the Zeros would the unclipping force be a whole lot more? I actually don't think I'd mind a lot more force to unclip but what I'd like that I don't get with the SPD is a very positive unclip if that makes sense. The SPDs seem sloppy with the start of the unclip and finish of the unclip being somewhat vague. What I'm looking for is a very quick and distinct unclip.
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Old 11-23-10, 08:20 PM
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Yes it's a very positive unclip.
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Old 11-24-10, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by danvuquoc View Post
I really love my speedplay zeros, but they do require a bit more maintenance in terms of lubrication. I disassemble them every week to clean any gunk out and a quick spray of teflon dry lube everyday that I use them. As for getting junk in them and not being able to clip in or out, I haven't had that issue -- and I commute with them. Longevity of the cleat, I'm not certain, they certainly don't look pretty anymore, but they function just fine with 2K miles on them.
I do not clean them unless there the engagement with the pedal loses its crisper tension.

As for the arguments against Speedplays, the only two which I think could potentially be an issues is:

A) Platform - while there may be more contact area between the cleat and the pedal, this is meaningless. What matters is the stability of the contact points, and because the other systems result in the contact points farther out from the center of the shoe, it does provide a more stable platform. However, unless you are a serious sprinter/masher, I do not find this to be as big an issue as others.

B) Debris in the Cleats: This could be an issue, if you either race cross or ride and get off the bike in fairly muddy/unpaved areas. However, given this is a road bike forum, and if you mostly ride only to get off to re-fuel at a convenience store, I just do not see this as big of an issue.


I like no float in my cleats, so not sure I can help out in terms of float debate. But the adjustable float on the Zeroes is nice, except you need to make sure that you put blue loctite on the small screw to hold in the float setting. Otherwise, the force of your pedal stroke will result in the screw eventually moving farther out, and the float increasing over time. It is easy for me, since I like zero float to know fairly quickly when this occurs. However, for those who have a specific setting dialed in between 0 - 15 degrees, this could become quite a hastle, as knowing whether you are at 6 or 9 degrees float is a little more tricky.

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Old 11-24-10, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
I do not clean them unless there the engagement with the pedal loses its crisper tension.
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I like no float in my cleats, so not sure I can help out in terms of float debate. But the adjustable float on the Zeroes is nice, except you need to make sure that you put blue loctite on the small screw to hold in the float.
This is probably why you don't get any squeaks in your cleat, I think the sound comes from some float movement in the cleat in the pedal stroke. Then again, I might need to work on fitment issues if I really use that much float in my pedal stroke.
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Old 11-24-10, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
B) Debris in the Cleats: This could be an issue, if you either race cross or ride and get off the bike in fairly muddy/unpaved areas. However, given this is a road bike forum, and if you mostly ride only to get off to re-fuel at a convenience store, I just do not see this as big of an issue.
And anyone who complains about this needs to state which model of Speedplays they have used.
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Old 11-24-10, 02:36 PM
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Also, if you coat the cleats with Shoe Goo, they are very easy to walk in.[/QUOTE]

trying to figure out how does Shoe Goo help?
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shoe goo would give a rubberized finish to the cleat which would give you more traction. Silicone from the hardware store would do the same probably.
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If you're worried about debris (I've never had a problem w/X's), then get the Frogs—their mtb pedal. Just as easy to use and no debris problems. If you're going to be walking a lot or you're racing cross, they'd be the ticket (w/mtb shoes). I really like SpeedPlays and haven't considered anything else since getting them.

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No way.
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I used speedplay x pedals from 1998-2005 (or 2006, I can't remember). I found the debris problem to occur from time to time, but you really shouldn't be walking on the cleats anyway. I switched for a lighter option (m2racer) and then went to time pedals. I used the time pedals from 2006-present.

I just tried speedplay x pedals again as I was trying to figure out what the cause of some leg pain was. Freakin' ice skates. My feet were all over the place and my shoes were hitting the chainstays. I could feel how much less efficient my pedaling was.

The speedplays work, they're rebuildable and now you can pick up a pair of the x5 ones and buy aftermarket ti spindles for $55, but they are not for me. Perhaps the zero's are better, but I like my time pedals (not that the iclics don't have their own issues)

I also find it much easier to get into my single sided time pedals than the double sided speedplays (both rxs and iclic models). I also got hotspots w/ the speedplays and none w/ the time pedals.

My leg issue was a q-factor issue, not a float issue (which I would not have discovered had I not gone to change the pedals).
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