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45 mins on trainer = hour on the road?

Old 11-26-10, 02:47 PM
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45 mins on trainer = hour on the road?

So I know this may start a fire storm but recently I heard my "coach" / "captain" of my collegiate cycling team say that 45 mins on the trainer is equal to about an hour of road riding because you can't coast. But I seem to feel like the hills in a real ride are far better / harder then "hills" on a trainer (cranking resistance all the way up).

What do people here think?
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Old 11-26-10, 02:50 PM
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does he really coast for 15 minutes out of an hour?
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Old 11-26-10, 03:01 PM
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nothing is equal or better than the real thing!
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Old 11-26-10, 03:02 PM
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I'm new to a trainer, but I feel like the trainer is more difficult. It could be because it is SO boring. I live in a pretty hilly area (relatively speaking) and although going up the hills is quite a workout, there can be significant coasting time. I'm still pedaling, but there's just not much tension on the pedals. I suppose it just depends on how hard you push on either one.
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Old 11-26-10, 03:03 PM
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Uh...I'm doing the trainer routine..and if there is a way to ride outdoors instead of being on this thing..I will do it..
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Old 11-26-10, 03:04 PM
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I was always told that 40 - 45 minutes on the trainer is equivelant to an hour on the road. Going by the amount of perceived effort I would have to agree with it.
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Old 11-26-10, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by x514 View Post
does he really coast for 15 minutes out of an hour?
Coast, soft pedal, pedal easier in a pace line, etc, etc, etc.....
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Initially it may seem like it's worth something like that. Later you'll realize that if you ride the trainer a lot, you tend to coast a lot less.

In crits I sometimes spend 20-30% of the time at 0 or close to 0 power. That means I'm either soft pedaling or coasting. Even leading up to a final sprint in an uphill finish crit I coasted for something like 10 seconds.

So, yes, initially it'll seem harder given an equal time on the trainer. Later it won't seem different.

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Old 11-26-10, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dnuzzomueller View Post
45 mins on the trainer is equal to about an hour of road riding
Which road?



How long does it take the mind to go numb? The trainer is the best way to find out.
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Old 11-26-10, 03:29 PM
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I think riding a trainer is a lame substitute for riding on the road. Sheer torture that should probably be banned by the geneva convention, along with water boarding.

I also think that so-called experts who can calculate a fudge-factor to convert time on the trainer to time on the road are deluding themselves.

I am not sure if this answers your question but I hope it helps.
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Old 11-26-10, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
How long does it take the mind to go numb? The trainer is the best way to find out.
Disagree. I'd say reading BF is a far better test.
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I think riding a trainer is a lame substitute for riding on the road. Sheer torture that should probably be banned by the geneva convention, along with water boarding.

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I certainly am NOT advocating using a trainer. While I use mine a decent bit it is due to constraints of some nature that make riding the road not feasible.

But certainly I would rather spend 3 hours on the road then 45 mins on a trainer any day.
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Old 11-26-10, 04:10 PM
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For me, time on the trainer leaves me feeling lacking when I get back out on the road.
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Old 11-26-10, 04:24 PM
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so let me get this straight... if I ride 45 minutes on my fixed gear (which cannot coast) it is equivalent to an hour on my road bike? Does that mean if I can do 20 miles in the hour on my road bike I can do 20 miles in 45 minutes on the fixed gear?

something is flawed with your logic...

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All depends on what you do with the time on the road or the trainer. In the end watts are watts.

Because you don't have issues like traffic and stop signs itsmposible to get more work in a given amount of time on the trainer.

Also somemworkouts are actually better done on the trainer.
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Originally Posted by buelito View Post
so let me get this straight... if I ride 45 minutes on my fixed gear (which cannot coast) it is equivalent to an hour on my road bike? Does that mean if I can do 20 miles in the hour on my road bike I can do 20 miles in 45 minutes on the fixed gear?

something is flawed with your logic...

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You clearly missed the point.
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Old 11-26-10, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by buelito View Post
so let me get this straight... if I ride 45 minutes on my fixed gear (which cannot coast) it is equivalent to an hour on my road bike? Does that mean if I can do 20 miles in the hour on my road bike I can do 20 miles in 45 minutes on the fixed gear?

something is flawed with your logic...



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Not his logic, His "coach's" logic. I agree with OP's coach...and with those who say there is no substitute for the real thing. I find that I get an excellent cardiovascular workout with trainers and feel as tired after 45 minutes or so as I do after an hour on the road. However there is a muscle hardness factor missing in indoor cycling that is immediately felt when getting back on the road if you have been off all winter. That is why I get out during the winter whenever I can. I do not ride on snow covered or ice-covered roads but if they are fairly clear I will ride. I must also say I despise indoor cycling but I do it so I can really enjoy the first day in good weather.
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
. However there is a muscle hardness factor missing in indoor cycling that is immediately felt when getting back on the road if you have been off all winter.

Do you train with a power meter? in my experience, if you're trainer work outs don't prepare you for riding on the road, it may because you're not puting out the same watts on the trainer.

Without a power meter it's relatively easy to con yourself into not working harde enough on the trainer.

It really is about time and intensity, whether its on the road or the trainer.

Ulimately watts are watts.
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45 minutes on the trainer = 45 minutes on the trainer.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
45 minutes on the trainer = 45 minutes on the trainer.

^^this


and probably equal to about 30 minutes on the road
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Been on a rehab routine for 2.5 months (broken leg) and spin 3-4 hrs. a day/ 7 days a week.

Got off crutches today and, without the ortho-boot, did an easy 12 mile loop on the MTB. Went OK but if you say 45 mins spin = 1 hr. road, I think, from my experience, that's overstating it.

Feels more appropriate to say 45 mins spin = 20 mins road/dirt.
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for me, 15 minutes on the trainer feels like an hour so boring
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post
^^this


and probably equal to about 30 minutes on the road
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You guys just aren't riding hard enough on the trainer
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