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Why do trainer climbing blocks exist?

Old 11-29-10, 02:06 PM
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Old 11-29-10, 02:12 PM
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He actually has braces that lock his elbows in place so he doesn't change his hip angle and torso position with varying terrain.
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Old 11-29-10, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
also gravity does not any resistance to pedaling so the direction of the gravity vector doesn't matter to muscle recruitment.
I can't quite understand what you are saying here but I presume you mean that gravity doesn't offer any resistance to pedaling. In any case are you saying that it makes no difference to the training effect if the bike was rotated by 45 or 90 degrees? Think for a while before you respond.
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Old 11-29-10, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
So I took it to mean that when he wrote "simulate climbing workouts" he was referring to the training benefit, which I measure in terms of beneficial physiological adaptations.
The whole question of the thread is to understand the point of having a climbing block, and whether or not it is performing it's function as advertised. "I don't believe they would sell and market a product that absolutely does not perform its function. Am I missing something? or is this a full blown marketing scam?"

The OP made the assumption that they are claiming that it affects the resistance, but that is just his assumption. Nowhere is anyone claiming that there is more resistance or that you do more work by lifting up the front wheel. The simulation is entirely about the position of the bike how that affects the feel of riding in different positions.

Sure you could ride in the same position regardless of the orientation of the bike, but if you are really honest you would probably admit that you are more likely to sit in a slightly different position depending on whether the bike is pointing up, down, or level, and that it feels different sitting in the same position as the bike's level changes. Certainly while standing my body is generally straight up relative to gravity (center of gravity over the cranks), which means while climbing my body would be leaning forward relative to the bars. To have the same position relative to the bike on level ground I would be leaning forward and on a descent I would probably fall over my bars.
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Old 11-29-10, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Sure you could ride in the same position regardless of the orientation of the bike, but if you are really honest you would probably admit that you are more likely to sit in a slightly different position depending on whether the bike is pointing up
I'm laughing so hard at this that I about wet my trousers.
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Old 11-29-10, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
Of course we are critical! It's an internet forum and we're going to act just like those two guys in the opera box on the Muppet Show.
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Old 11-29-10, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
I can't quite understand what you are saying here but I presume you mean that gravity doesn't offer any resistance to pedaling. In any case are you saying that it makes no difference to the training effect if the bike was rotated by 45 or 90 degrees? Think for a while before you respond.
For that matter, by this argument you could hang your bike from the ceiling and it wouldn't make a difference.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:07 PM
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If the blood didn't rush to my head and kill me, this sounds fun. We could set up a little track on our ceilings with the wheels on rails and strap ourselves in and race each other around go cart style. How cool would that be?
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Old 11-29-10, 03:08 PM
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20 years of riding and I thought I elevated the front wheel of the bike when it was on a trainer so as to make the bike level. Imagine my shock and horror to find out I've been doing it wrong all these years.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:10 PM
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Old 11-29-10, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
Of course we are critical! It's an internet forum and we're going to act just like those two guys in the opera box on the Muppet Show. UMD gave you a good answer, but a few others had done it earlier.

hope nobody else linked this yet
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Old 11-29-10, 03:13 PM
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Note that the text under "features" on the amazon link actually says "Stack two blocks to simulate climbing workouts "

The product description on the page actually says "The CycleOps Riser Block's unique three level design, let's you pick a height for your front tire that will make your trainer riding time more comfortable and productive. You'll train harder and longer, because you'll be riding a more natural position."

It's all about position and comfort, not about resistance, etc.

Edit: And yes, of course a phone book will do the same thing for free.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:20 PM
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Though the product description does also say something about letting you select your level of difficulty.

Oh wait, that's not being at all helpful here.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:22 PM
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they still make phone books?
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Old 11-29-10, 03:23 PM
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And yes, of course a phone book will do the same thing for free.
I used a Heat Transfer book cause I'm an engineer!
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Old 11-29-10, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NickDavid View Post
Never found the block to make a difference in training. Ever.

Sorry guys!
What you may be missing is the visual component. Maybe watch videos of TdF climbs on a wide screen in front of you? Or a wall covered with images of climbs. Report back the results.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:29 PM
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you would never have to convince a musician of the value of practicing under slightly different sets of conditions to get used to slightly different feel.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
you would never have to convince a musician of the value of practicing under slightly different sets of conditions to get used to slightly different feel.
You mean performing a piece alone in your room is different from performing before a crowded room?
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you would never have to convince a musician of the value of practicing under slightly different sets of conditions to get used to slightly different feel.
Muzak is the engineer's answer for the irregularity of musicians.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:42 PM
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You mean performing a piece alone in your room is different from performing before a crowded room?
think of it as a group ride where there is razor wire on either side of the narrow lane. you are the lead rider the entire time and all the rest of them are compelled to follow you into whatever obstacle you run in to. if you screw up, everybody dies.

now you begin.

no problem, but wait! now come the spectators. they start heckling you. not fast enough! you look like monkeys!

now they start throwing things. vegetables first, then basketballs, finally large objects that require to you think on your feet but please please don't kill the entire paceline by riding into the razor!

your heart rate will be 135 before you even turn a pedal and it goes up from there.

now...

while all of that is going on, please recite, exactly (and with no errors) the complete works of Lewis Carroll.

(that is what performing is like)

if you enjoy that, then you might have what it takes.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
think of it as a group ride where there is razor wire on either side of the narrow lane. you are the lead rider the entire time and all the rest of them are compelled to follow you into whatever obstacle you run in to. if you screw up, everybody dies.

now you begin.

no problem, but wait! now come the spectators. they start heckling you. not fast enough! you look like monkeys!

now they start throwing things. vegetables first, then basketballs, finally large objects that require to you think on your feet but please please don't kill the entire paceline by riding into the razor!

your heart rate will be 135 before you even turn a pedal and it goes up from there.

now...

while all of that is going on, please recite, exactly (and with no errors) the complete works of Lewis Carroll.

(that is what performing is like)

if you enjoy that, then you might have what it takes.
Do you have to signal?
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
blasphemy, how dare you state the obvious!
You are correct, I should follow the time honored traditions of these forums by not bringing reality into the thread. I'll be more careful in the future.
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Old 11-29-10, 03:46 PM
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Do you have to signal?
of course you have to signal. fail to point at one of the basketballs and it's bloodbath time.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
they still make phone books?
What's a book?
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What's a book?
I think it's something on itunes
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