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Why do trainer climbing blocks exist?

Old 11-29-10, 03:52 PM
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I think it's something on itunes
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Old 11-29-10, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Do you have to signal?
only if there is a pothole.
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Old 11-29-10, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ILUVUK View Post
only if there is a pothole.
Otherwise, you get one page of useful responses, followed by 4 pages of facepalm.
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Originally Posted by awesomejack View Post
like this: https://www.amazon.com/CycleOps-Stack...0927504&sr=8-6

It clearly says that this is used to level the bike and/or raise the bike up to "simulate climbing workouts." I'm pretty sure that's impossible.

I'm in college to be a mechanical engineer and I like to believe I have a firm grasp on how physics works and interactions between forces. On a trainer, the resistance is provided by the magnets/fluid in the trainer, and raising the front wheel should have zero effect on the resistance. You could even be riding a vertical bike on a trainer and it should be the same workout.

Now, I know CycleOps employs many engineers to design these things (plus every other trainer manufacturer out there), and I don't believe they would sell and market a product that absolutely does not perform its function. Am I missing something? or is this a full blown marketing scam?
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Quit now if you can't figure this out.

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Old 11-29-10, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by awesomejack View Post
like this: https://www.amazon.com/CycleOps-Stack...0927504&sr=8-6

It clearly says that this is used to level the bike and/or raise the bike up to "simulate climbing workouts." I'm pretty sure that's impossible.

I'm in college to be a mechanical engineer and I like to believe I have a firm grasp on how physics works and interactions between forces. On a trainer, the resistance is provided by the magnets/fluid in the trainer, and raising the front wheel should have zero effect on the resistance. You could even be riding a vertical bike on a trainer and it should be the same workout.

Now, I know CycleOps employs many engineers to design these things (plus every other trainer manufacturer out there), and I don't believe they would sell and market a product that absolutely does not perform its function. Am I missing something? or is this a full blown marketing scam?
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Even a liberal arts major would know that the pressure on you hands changes with the inclination of the bike. Riding the trainer with the bike tilted down is uncomfortable. I've never tried riding with the front wheel elevated but I know it would feel different and would be a little closer to the feeling you get when climbing. That's all anyone here is saying.

Arguing that you can't feel a difference is ridiculous. If the frame of reference remains fixed then, of course, the position of the handlebars, seat etc changes wrt the CoG of the bike and rider as the bike is rotated.
If the frame position and riding position does not matter, then riding an up-right hybrid would provide the same experience as riding a racing oriented road bike. How about training on a beach cruiser?
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Old 11-29-10, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
Best BF response in a while.
Incorrect; it was a cheap shot.


Good engineers aren't always right, but they always ask questions. The same is true of good students...
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Old 11-29-10, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantoj View Post
Good engineers aren't always right, but they always ask questions. The same is true of good students...
Of course, asking questions is only a useful skill if it's followed by listening to the answers.
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Old 11-29-10, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
Of course, asking questions is only a useful skill if it's followed by listening to the answers.
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Old 11-29-10, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
Best BF response in a while.
Ex is usually good for a laugh or 3.
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Old 11-29-10, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
Of course, asking questions is only a useful skill if it's followed by listening to the answers.
How much to licence free use of this phrase? Copyright it now - you're on a winner.
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Old 11-29-10, 06:33 PM
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They exist for the same reason there is an incline and decline bench press.
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Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
Of course, asking questions is only a useful skill if it's followed by listening to the answers.
See post #48 in this thread.
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Old 11-29-10, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantoj View Post
See post #48 in this thread.
Yes. The rest of the thread after that wasn't directed at the OP.
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Old 11-29-10, 07:07 PM
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I just think it's lazy thinking.

if someone in real life had asked me this question I would simply tell them to go and place some blocks under their wheel and ride the trainer for an hour. Then do the same workout with the bike level. Report back anything that they noticed. If nothing, then you have your answer, if something, then you also have your answer.

There doesn't have to be any theoretical exercise. It's such a simple process.

I am willing to bet that if the same thing happened here on BF and I said precisely the same thing, I would get resistance and arguing and then get called a jerk or an elitist or whatever. Laziness.

People just want others to do their homework for them.
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I can't believe I read through this whole thread. Does anyone actually lift the front wheel of their bike on a trainer to force themselves into their climbing position? I would think that the grade would have to be well over 10% before you really could notice a physiological effect.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
I can't believe I read through this whole thread. Does anyone actually lift the front wheel of their bike on a trainer to force themselves into their climbing position?
Who said anything about force? A lot of assumptions being made in this thread...

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I would think that the grade would have to be well over 10% before you really could notice a physiological effect.
I really think most people do it for psychological not physiological reasons.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
I just think it's lazy thinking.

if someone in real life had asked me this question I would simply tell them to go and place some blocks under their wheel and ride the trainer for an hour. Then do the same workout with the bike level. Report back anything that they noticed. If nothing, then you have your answer, if something, then you also have your answer.

There doesn't have to be any theoretical exercise. It's such a simple process.

I am willing to bet that if the same thing happened here on BF and I said precisely the same thing, I would get resistance and arguing and then get called a jerk or an elitist or whatever. Laziness.


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Originally Posted by svtmike View Post
Of course, asking questions is only a useful skill if it's followed by listening to the answers.
Yes, I read everyone's answers (i.e. listened to their answers), and as I already stated, umd answered my questions. How other people managed to turn this into a 5 page argument, I'll never know.
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Originally Posted by awesomejack View Post
Yes, I read everyone's answers (i.e. listened to their answers), and as I already stated, umd answered my questions. How other people managed to turn this into a 5 page argument, I'll never know.
Some answered it before me, but I think I may have boiled it down a little simplier.
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Yeah, there was other relevant information, but yours was the simplest
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
I can't believe I read through this whole thread. Does anyone actually lift the front wheel of their bike on a trainer to force themselves into their climbing position? I would think that the grade would have to be well over 10% before you really could notice a physiological effect.
I ride rollers so no. If I had to ride the trainer instead I would do it just to break up the mahogany.

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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Who said anything about force? A lot of assumptions being made in this thread...



I really think most people do it for psychological not physiological reasons.
So if that's the case putting cinderblocks , pumpkins or phone books to raise the front other than being level does nothing really to training on a trainer. I experimented today raising it about a tad higher than "level" 5 degrees, closer to 6 to simulate a 10% grade. I did it for ten minutes. I did not feel anything. I can spin to FTP max or below and I felt no new muscle group being used. Then I tried to do a 50X13 standing sprint, really no different when level or "inclined". However if I do not have a book to keep the bike position as it is on level road, it begins to hurt. in the hands, saddle nose and just above the scapula. I have used the trainer sparingly but I always have to use a book to be level or slightly elevated or otherwise it adds to the torturous trainer experience.

So to simulate the physiology during climbing at what degree should that be. In real life a 10% gradient is no laughing matter. I am already pegged at 23t or 26 when it is 7.5 or even 7% constant on a real road. So what then 20 degrees -- what is that even in grade %. I know it is more than the steepest road in PA or SF. I also stand up on flat ground for sprinting a lot. I have even done it on mild descents. I certainly can do it on a "level" trainer, no need to raise from "level"

It seems to me that CycleOps should just say: "This block is necessary for your comfort on the bike rather than saying it is to simulate climbing"
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Why do trainer blocks exist?
because someone can make money selling them.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
because someone can make money selling them.
Really?...

After 6 pages, 148 posts, 2 Mechanical Engineers involved (at least). The input of numerous trainer users, and this is what you come up with?... very disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
I ride rollers so no. If I had to ride the trainer instead I would do it just to break up the mahogany.
*salutes*

This thread needed a drive-by fooing. I thank you, sir!
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