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Lance Trains with weights!!

Old 10-11-04, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by collegeskier
Going from one point to another on a flat course requires minimal energy.
That's what riding a bike is like when you live in Medford!!!!!!!
 
Old 10-11-04, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
Hey college skiier what other B.S. do you have for me!!!
Well Tufts is in fact on top of Walnut Hill. But yes Eastern Massachusetts is flat by comparison to the rest of New England. Most of my mileage is actually covered in Western Massachusetts where there are some hills. I however grew up in Maine were there are more hill and lived most of my life on top of one. Getting home was always the challenging part. I have been looking for a long steep hill around here but they dont exist. Although non of NE is flat, it is just slightly rolling. Where are you from anyways with these giant hills that you are not riding 55-11 fixed?

OH and is it B.S. cause it is founded in sound science. I will go for wild make believe if you would prefer. Remember always down shift for hills it is more effiecent you want that wheel to turn as far as possible for each crank rev. Is that better I will think of more.
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Old 10-11-04, 12:09 AM
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I live in Northern California. It is much more hilly here....Much much much much more hilly!!!!! I know exactly where you are talking about (obviously I know the area well) and that area is waaaaaaay more flat than where I live.

It seems like I have put out 1000 watts just to climb the 1/2 mile hill just to get home (all this on a 39-23 gear at the end of my ride when I'm tired...Now it's a 42-23 gear cuz I got the 55 ring and had to bump up my small ring so It would still shift!). It's a monstrous hill.....long and steep. It really is a nightmare. You never saw a hill like this living in Medford!! This is how my face looks when I'm climbing it--->

P.S. If you like cycling (year round cycling) and skiing Northern California is much better area.

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Old 10-11-04, 12:14 AM
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I am personally looking into UC Boulder for a Phd program. Did you go to school at Tufts?
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No. I was thinking about it....but it just too cold. I stayed in California instead.

It was funny to me that Medford has like 17 Dunkin donuts stores in that dinky little town!!! I almost died laughin when I opened the phone book.

Nice college town.....Medford.
 
Old 10-11-04, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
The size of your arm is not an absolute indication (though it does factor in obviously) of the maximum force it is capable of doing. Furthermore, Once you strip away fat from an arm it shrinks dramatically. When I was bulked up I had 19 1/2" arms, but now that I am down to 211 lbs they have shrunk to 17 3/4". I am not any weaker because they are smaller....just less fat on them.
I'm 5'8" and have 17 1/2" arms.

So, to put this all together, what is your chest size?

As for the average girl and what she can bench..you should prolly go to a gym and see for yourself. Perhaps 1 in 30 can bench over 100 pounds.

Cycling is a non-weight bearing sport and as such we should all do some level of weights to strengthen our core. However, comparing the muscularity of a track or TT rider to a Grand Tour GC contender is apples and oranges. Their bodys are machines built for totaly different purposes.
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
Yep, I knew it all along. I was right as usual , Lance does train for countless hours in the gym to improve his core strength (according to every bicycling source out there).

Whoever said resistance training doesn't help your cycling is full of B.S.
THe only people who say this are the people who hate weights
Assertions I have heard that weight lifting has no benefit for cyclists is not bound in reality.
I have personally seen Lance Armstrong upclose squat almost 3x his own bodyweight for (1RM) which gets nothing but respect from me. You can put it like this, if you ain't able to squat that amount of weight in regards to your own bodyweight, forget about it, your going out the backdoor. In powerlifting circles, squatting almost 3x your bodyweight ain't that bad of an accomplishment....
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Yeah, Yeah. I used to squat 700 lbs. I have mentioned this before in these forums ( the 700lb figure). I leg press 1100 lbs x 8 reps. I train at home (don't have spotter) so I concentrate now on the leg press.


LA is strong as hell and the numbers he gave are not 1 rep max. If he can squat 500+ pounds he can definitely bench over 120 lbs max (that's obvious!!!)
The body strives for symmetry.....Squats work your whole body(including your chest!! Yes really...any powerlifter/bodybuilder knows this). LA can bench more than 120. I'm guessing 200+ easily.
 
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
Yeah, Yeah. I used to squat 700 lbs.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


As I asked you before, how old were you when you did this??
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Originally Posted by teamawe
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


As I asked you before, how old were you when you did this??
I was 28!
 
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"But they are fat"? You are kidding, right? Lean guys, 6' 2" and at your weight and arm measurement are everywhere my man. Congrats on not being your average joe slob and the weights you claim as lifts are not bad. But you act as if you are Gods gift to athletics, which would only be true if God shops at walmart.
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
Yeah, Yeah. I used to squat 700 lbs. I have mentioned this before in these forums ( the 700lb figure). I leg press 1100 lbs x 8 reps. I train at home (don't have spotter) so I concentrate now on the leg press.
Do I detect a little carcasm, lol, can never tell...
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Old 10-11-04, 08:54 AM
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"But they are fat"? You are kidding, right? Lean guys, 6' 2" and at your weight and arm measurement are everywhere my man. Congrats on not being your average joe slob and the weights you claim as lifts are not bad. But you act as if you are Gods gift to athletics, which would only be true if God shops at walmart.
My measuremnets are not impressive, but I have always been strong for my size. 385 lb bench is rare for somebody 6'2" and 211 lbs. 6'2" and 211 lbs is common obviously!! Hell, 6'2" and >211 lbs is even more common.

Last time I checked joe slob was 6'2" and more like 250 lbs.
 
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I'll agree with that. This country has some lazy people inhabiting it for sure
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
385 lb bench is rare for somebody 6'2" and 211 lbs.
Only on a bike forum.
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Originally Posted by teamawe
Only on a bike forum.
That is true. On a college football team this is the norm. Yep!
 
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
That is true. On a college football team this is the norm. Yep!
I was comenting on your self-egrandinzing use of the word 'rare' in describing your bench, not on a place that it would be considered normal. There are many guys I see every morning that can bench that, they dont seem to use it as a password to coolness or acceptance though, they can just do it.
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Originally Posted by teamawe
I was comenting on your self-egrandinzing use of the word 'rare' in describing your bench, not on a place that it would be considered normal. There are many guys I see every morning that can bench that, they dont seem to use it as a password to coolness or acceptance though, they can just do it.
Yeah. It's grandiose...I know . Then again look at eveything under my user name. Check out the location and my signature. Quite a bit of what I say is sarcastic and in jest!!
 
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
I think Ullrich could definitely bench more than 225 -probably 250(look at those triceps). I don't look that big and I can bench 385 (6' 2" 211 lbs). Yeah Ullrich's legs look awesome there....he is also pumped up pretty good. My legs are much stronger looking than ullrichs if equally pumped up(then again I'm a bodybuilder)

130 lb bench press is downright feminine (high school female athletes (granted they were taller basket ball players)did more than this I swear). Trust me. I know you could put up more than that....you just haven't tried it.
I don't know what world you live in but being 6' 2" 211lbs is big. I am in the gym at least 4 days a week and have been a regular member for 3 years. The number of people I see that are your size can hardly put up over 275lbs. 385lbs would probably crush most pro cyclists in a bench press. Most of them have low bone density because of all the non-impact training they do.
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I don't know what world you live in but being 6' 2" 211lbs is big. I am in the gym at least 4 days a week and have been a regular member for 3 years. The number of people I see that are your size can hardly put up over 275lbs. 385lbs would probably crush most pro cyclists in a bench press. Most of them have low bone density because of all the non-impact training they do.
It's fast twitch type 1 muscle that lets you do that.
 
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Alot of talk about Bench Press???... Don't really understand. Deadlifts, Squats, Good-Mornings, Reverse Hypers, Hyperextension etc etc along with plenty of Abdominal/Lower Back core work should be priority over any upperbody work for the cyclist...
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Originally Posted by Vitamin X
Alot of talk about Bench Press???... Don't really understand. Deadlifts, Squats, Good-Mornings, Reverse Hypers, Hyperextension etc etc along with plenty of Abdominal/Lower Back core work should be priority over any upperbody work for the cyclist...
Absolutely true but, .......Nobody on these forums knows anything about those lifts . Everybody knows about the bench press (even a high school kid knows that). It's easier to relate relative strength with that lift . I have one of those hexagonal trap bars (kind you step into) that lets me do all those lifts rather than using a straight bar.....but honestly I don't do them as much anymore. I should though.

Chris Hoy I'm sure does those lifts all the time. Probably the best way to make yourself really strong is to do those compound lifts rather than isolation exercises (such as bench press). As a matter of fact, I think I am going to start doing them again.
 
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collegeskier, you ridden in Arlington Heights at all? They've got a few decent bumps to play on, Harvard is out their a lot. But lets be honest if we want real hills to work on all we need to do is go up to Vermont or NH and ride the various gaps all day long.
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yeaa, I very much doubt based on my experience of lifting and knowledge in the area that Lance is benching 120 1 rep max. Seems very hard to believe.
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Originally Posted by 55-11 Superman
Absolutely true but, .......Nobody on these forums knows anything about those lifts . Everybody knows about the bench press (even a high school kid knows that). It's easier to relate relative strength with that lift . I have one of those hexagonal trap bars (kind you step into) that lets me do all those lifts rather than using a straight bar.....but honestly I don't do them as much anymore. I should though.

Chris Hoy I'm sure does those lifts all the time. Probably the best way to make yourself really strong is to do those compound lifts rather than isolation exercises (such as bench press). As a matter of fact, I think I am going to start doing them again.
If they don't know about them lifts... Look at these links....

https://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html
https://www.bsu.edu/webapps/strengthlab/exercise.asp
https://www.midwestbarbell.com/videos.htm

The trap bar allows you to lift more weight than the standard straight bar. I use straight mainly.

Chris Hoy I'm sure does those lifts all the time.
No $hit. Hoy would do them lifts in his sleep. Hes a tough cookie.

Do exercises that involve "Hip Extension" and involve mainly the "Posterior Chain"...
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