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Lance Trains with weights!!

Old 10-12-04, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
How does someone that doesn't do resistance training go from a lower top speed using gearing that is shorter than say.... 53-11, to being able to spin 53-11 at a decent rpm?

Is the best way to progress to taller and taller gearing to just keep riding, and spinning the shorter gearing as best you can?
Shimano front derailleurs will take up to 56T(increase small ring too for optimal shifting). Every 4 teeth on the big ring equals 1 tooth on the rear. a 55-12 is equal to a 53-11.5. Increasing chainring size is a way to train in a progessive manner without having to make the huge jump from 12T to 11T.

Obviously chainrings are expensive, so are cassettes. Don't replace till they wear out.

Protect your knees. Make sure you are riding position is optimzed for this. Just like weight lifting don't increase force dramatically...increase gradually in controlled manner.

I have a good quote from a guy who trains cyclists...let me find it.
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Old 10-13-04, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by teamawe
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BUMP...

I am all for getting stronger on the bike (Max Strength) but squatting, deadlifting 3x your bodyweight ain't gonna do much if you don't have the appropriate strength endurance to keep ripping over that big gear all the while lactic acid is boiling in your legs...
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Yes. Lactic acid is produced during high intensity exercise...such as pushing big gears, Since lactic acid is produced under anaerobic conditions (ie, without oxygen) your body compensates by improving circulation over time to that area. It does this by growing new blood vessels to further enhance blood delivery (oxygen) to the area experiencing chronic lactic acid. With this new improved circulation your cardiac output will be better able to feed the increased demand of the legs. Lactic acid will therefore be less likely to be produced under high load circumstances (blasting 53-11 gear down the straights at 41 mph). Unfortunately it seems that cardiac output can only increase so much and an overly large muscle will not be able to be fueled even with improved local circulation. This hasn't happed to me yet (well it has, but not too much)

If you train hard whether it is weight lifting or pushing harder gears you will get better at it.

Conicidently, you may have a hard time with lactic acid in higher gears now, but over time your body will get used to either preventing it or tolerating it. Lance Armstrong V02 max is equal to his lactic acid threshold.

EDIT: The short answer is you can be mucsular enough tp spin 11T and still have endurance, but you have to train for both. Your body will even it out.

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Old 10-13-04, 09:52 AM
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You wanting to be a sprinter 53-11???...
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Yes. Lactic acid is produced during high intensity exercise...such as pushing big gears, Since lactic acid is produced under anaerobic conditions (ie, without oxygen) your body compensates by improving circulation over time to that area. It does this by growing new blood vessels to further enhance blood delivery (oxygen) to the area experiencing chronic lactic acid. With this new improved circulation your cardiac output will be better able to feed the increased demand of the legs. Lactic acid will therefore be less likely to be produced under high load circumstances (blasting 53-11 gear down the straights at 41 mph). Unfortunately it seems that cardiac output can only increase so much and an overly large muscle will not be able to be fueled even with improved local circulation. This hasn't happed to me yet (well it has, but not too much)

If you train hard whether it is weight lifting or pushing harder gears you will get better at it.

Conicidently, you may have a hard time with lactic acid in higher gears now, but over time your body will get used to either preventing it or tolerating it. Lance Armstrong V02 max is equal to his lactic acid threshold.

EDIT: The short answer is you can be mucsular enough tp spin 11T and still have endurance, but you have to train for both. Your body will even it out.
i never do this, but he is right. i am 77inches tall 250 lbs and have a lot of mass but when i ride its at 18-22mph on average. and the more i ride i dont get droped on hills as much any more. so one can train for both. i honestly do push the weights he claims and i have pics for the naysayers. but i do belive that the heart and lungs work alot harder to get me there than if i weighed less. the body is a wonderful machine it will adapt to almost anything you do to it. but you have to do it
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Originally Posted by sizmaters
i never do this, but he is right. i am 77inches tall 250 lbs and have a lot of mass but when i ride its at 18-22mph on average. and the more i ride i dont get droped on hills as much any more. so one can train for both. i honestly do push the weights he claims and i have pics for the naysayers. but i do belive that the heart and lungs work alot harder to get me there than if i weighed less. the body is a wonderful machine it will adapt to almost anything you do to it. but you have to do it
You need 180's (more like 185's) badly. No wonder you are getting dropped on hills. I'm not BSing you on this. Im 74 inches tall and 180 is not too much for me. Galen_52657 (another member here is as tall as you and swears by 180mm cranks).

Climbing is where you get most benefit out of longer crank arm....Seriously!

6'5" and spinning 175mm cranks sucks!! (PM galen_52657 on this matter...he will help you out!!)

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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
You need 180's (more like 185's) badly. No wonder you are getting dropped on hills. I'm not BSing you on this. Im 74 inches tall and 180 is not too much for me. Galen_52657 (another member here is as tall as you and swears by 180mm cranks).

Climbing is where you get most benefit out of longer crank arm....Seriously!

6'5" and spinning 175mm cranks sucks!! (PM galen_52657 on this matter...he will help you out!!)
lol... Yeah!!! get a longer crank and you'll soon be climbing like Armstrong.

Seriously, the best improvement you could make to your climbing is to lose some of that 250lbs...
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Originally Posted by Vitamin X
lol... Yeah!!! get a longer crank and you'll soon be climbing like Armstrong.

Seriously, the best improvement you could make to your climbing is to lose some of that 250lbs...
mr X thats not gonna happen i worked very hard for all 250 and intend to keep it. its not fat im at about 9.5% bodyfat thats why i got into cycling to get down to bout 7 but my mass has to stay. but yes if i were to give it up i might be faster.
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Originally Posted by sizmaters
mr X thats not gonna happen i worked very hard for all 250 and intend to keep it. its not fat im at about 9.5% bodyfat thats why i got into cycling to get down to bout 7 but my mass has to stay. but yes if i were to give it up i might be faster.
6'5" and 250lbs is not that bad at all. PM Galen (Tall and skinny but 100% approves longer cranks for tall people).

Long cranks work equally well for tall skinny people like Galen as they do for tall heavier people. Galen is about as slim as they come and still benefits so why shouldn't sizmatters benefit also.
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Originally Posted by Vitamin X
lol... Yeah!!! get a longer crank and you'll soon be climbing like Armstrong.
He will climb better with longer cranks. Period.
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Old 10-13-04, 02:19 PM
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Um...but what if he spins?
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i do i spin at bout 90-100 i bounce much faster than that must work on smooveness. any tips for that would be helpful dont want to steal this thread so if ya want pm me.
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Originally Posted by sizmaters
i do i spin at bout 90-100 i bounce much faster than that must work on smooveness. any tips for that would be helpful dont want to steal this thread so if ya want pm me.
What do you mean by bouncing???... As in the cycling term "Rockin' N Rollin"...
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I bet Lance builds up muscle in the winter so that he has a convenient source of glucose available as he races.

All 20 of the amino acids, excepting leucine and lysine, can be degraded to TCA cycle intermediates as discussed in the metabolism of amino acids. This allows the carbon skeletons of the amino acids to be converted to those in oxaloacetate and subsequently into pyruvate. The pyruvate thus formed can be utilized by the gluconeogenic pathway. When glycogen stores are depleted, in muscle during exertion and liver during fasting, catabolism of muscle proteins to amino acids contributes the major source of carbon for maintenance of blood glucose levels.
He can't afford to carry fat that he won't use, and that would be metabolized inefficiently by his muscles for energy anyway. The benefit of carrying extra muscle is that he gets to use it as he pedals (some of it), and the additional muscle will hold additional glycogen stores that can be used to keep him going.

Basically, he packs on extra muscle because it gives him more sugar stores in his body. So he can push it harder, longer.

This is the real reason that cyclists should lift weights: so their leg muscles will have more mass (protein and glycogen, a carb) in the rest of their muscles to eat when they're hungry.
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BTW, Pecan Pie is the best pie for weight lifting.
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
I bet Lance builds up muscle in the winter so that he has a convenient source of glucose available as he races.



He can't afford to carry fat that he won't use, and that would be metabolized inefficiently by his muscles for energy anyway. The benefit of carrying extra muscle is that he gets to use it as he pedals (some of it), and the additional muscle will hold additional glycogen stores that can be used to keep him going.

Basically, he packs on extra muscle because it gives him more sugar stores in his body. So he can push it harder, longer.
You are right. Crunkologist you are a smart guy. We both know it's a world of comprimises. Too much muscle and cardiac output cannot keep up. It all evens out depending on how you train.

I would think that anybody training to break 1 hour record could afford to keep a little more muscle than somebody doing the tour de france. Shades of different Endurance requiremnts vs. Different power requirements...That's all.
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It is about balance, but I bet that most competitive cyclists would benefit from resistance training for these reasons. If Lance does... and he is in the longest events in cycling... what does that tell you?
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
BTW, Pecan Pie is the best pie for weight lifting.
You trying to Pie-Jack my thread huh?

Definition of Pie-Jacking:"Being that I have neither participated in nor instigated a Pie-jacking (taking over of a thread with the popular, and joyful conversation of Pie) I believe that maybe I can offer, humbly of course, a phrase that applies to such behavior."


No actually Blue berry pie is the best. Mmmmmmmmm......Pie!!!

Got to love that pie!!

Sweet delicious pie!!
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Apple Pie, with Whey-Enriched Ice Cream on Top is actually the best Pie for all athletics. I was saving this one.
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
Apple Pie, with Whey-Enriched Ice Cream on Top is actually the best Pie for all athletics. I was saving this one.

Mmmmmmmm...Yes Whey enriched pie is the best!!...Increases intracellular glutathione reserves as well.

Can't forget that nutritional component of every hard training cyclist....Pie!!!

Boy, I would love a heaping plateful of Whey enriched Apple Pie right now!!!!!!!



How I feel when I eat pie--->
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Sometimes cobbler is very very good. Peach Cobbler is superior to Peach Pie. Especially in Georgia.
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
Mmmmmmmm...Yes Whey enriched pie is the best!!...Increases intracellular glutathione reserves as well.
Where would you be without a Yahoo search engine and the copy/paste function...

I'll pass on the pies...
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Originally Posted by Vitamin X
Where would you be without a Yahoo search engine and the copy/paste function...

I'll pass on the pies...
I'm glad you verified the correctness of that statement. Actually I knew that from the top of my head( swear to God).
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Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
I'm glad you verified the correctness of that statement. Actually I knew that from the top of my head( swear to God).
Bull$hit...
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I did know mine from the top of my head. I just searched/quoted to double check myself and make sure that what I knew was accurate. Haven't researched physiology in a while.
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