brianbeech

So, I know I've waxed poetic about this bike, but I like the spoke pattern of these.

https://www.renovobikes.com/storage/t...=1275769739037

I'm sure there's some kind of weight limit or some impact on weight distribution over the wheel with a pattern and number of spokes. Anyone care to enlighten me on this. I weight 170 right now at 6'1". Typically I weight about 185.

dstrong 

Four spokes on a square tire is bad.

brianbeech

Delightfully enlightening.

slowandsteady

Looks pretty. Unfortunately, pretty doesn't help when you hit a pot hole. Also, lower spoke counts don't really help much with aerodynamics. They are a gimmick.

brianbeech

So they definitely aren't as strong when an obstacle is encountered? I'm not concerned about aero so much - I just think it looks good.

CNY James

will anybody be able to tell how it looks when the wheel is spinning?

MegaTom

No, but the only thing that really matters is how it looks in front of your white garage door (or nice wooden bench & staircase).

CNY James

how true

rydaddy

Paired spokes are about the stupidest thing since _________

Drew Eckhardt 

That will work fine until it doesn't.

I'd rather ride a 31 spoke front wheel which is more likely to survive minor mishaps (not a typo - some idiot did a bad job building my E-bay spare wheel set which cost less than I'd have spent on used hubs to build my own, I broke a spoke, and I'm riding without it until I get around to calculating length and buying a replacement. At the time I thought I'd bent the rim and just hit the quick release on my brake hood to stop the noise, but at the end of the ride I found a broken spoke. Starting with half the spokes I'd have needed to call a taxi or at least stop to use the spoke wrench on my key chain).

brianbeech

well, I sure like the look of paired spokes, so instead of replying to the thread telling me how much difference they don't make and how dumb they are, how bout some actual info? I'm getting that they don't respond well to pot holes and other such obstructions, but how much weaker are they? I'm guessing since they're still made, they are being bought - anyone ride with them?

urbanknight

If you don't want to know how well they (don't) work, what "actual info" do you want? Nobody has developed a scale to quantify exactly how strong or weak a wheel is. It sounds to me like you just want someone to tell you to go ahead and get them.

If the manufacturer doesn't list a weight limit, then there probably isn't one. That doesn't mean it will hold up to everything you put it through, but go ahead and get them and if they collapse under your too-fat-for-this-sport ass, sue the company for not listing a weight limit.

mihlbach

Your link isn't working for me, but it seems you are asking about paired spoke wheels. Paired spokes are a gimmick. It makes the wheel look like it has half the number of spokes. However, what you end up with is structurally inferior wheel with huge sections of unsupported rim. The rim itself is probably built heavier as a result. Nonetheless, plenty of people are riding around on paired spoke wheels with no problems, so they must be good enough. Stick around long enough and you'll probably end up agreeing with everyone else that pair spoke wheels are just dumb.

brianbeech

previous to your comment and mihlbach's, I only had 1 serious response. Wanted to kind of get a consensus, which I typically don't build off of one serious response. The one that said they were 'stupid' really helped. Wonder if I could get a new bike out of that...

urbanknight

Oh, here in the 41, it takes a few pages to get more than 1 serious response.

chasm54

I have a pair of Xero wheels with paired spokes, though they have 24 spokes per wheel rather than the 16 in the wheelset linked by the OP. They aren't the lightest, either. However, they have been absolutely bombproof as a pair of training wheels over three years of sometimes abusive treatment from a 200lb rider, and are still as true as the day they were bought. So the idea that paired spokes are necessarily an inferior design doesn't really wash with me.

AEO

I've heard nothing but bad stories about xero wheels.
although they do use kinlin rims and novatec hubs.

thirdgenbird

agreed. in addition to unsupported sections of rim, they often require high spoke tension. ive seen several rolf wheels with broken hub flanges and many bontrager wheels with cracked rims.

there is some merit to campagnolo's g3 lacing though. having half the spokes on the NDS helps equalize spoke tension. the fact that they are "paired" in groups of three serves no benefit what so ever unfortunately. with the fulcrum triplet lacing you can have your cake and eat it too. they have double the drivetrain spokes in a more traditional evenly spaced spoke pattern

caloso

I had a pair of the Rolf wheels that came stock on my '00 Trek. They were pretty bombproof, but the rim was heavy.

mihlbach

If you are into non-standard lacing patterns, the evenly spaced triplet pattern really makes the most sense. The best examples are here....https://www.ligerowheels.com/wheels/wheels.html.
The only drawback is that a failure of a NDS spoke would render the wheel unrideable. However, the chance of failure is far less likely with this lacing pattern. I want to build a wheel like this so bad, pairing a 32h hub with a 24h rim and only using half of the hub holes on the NDS. I wish I could find a Ligero hub, but I think they are only available with a complete wheel.

urbanknight

Keep checking ebay. Someone is bound to taco one and sell the hub that's left.

AEO

triplet rear? you mean like this?


It's pretty simple to do.
use 32h hub and 24h rim.
rim should not have staggered drilling pattern, but it's not a deal breaker.

spoke length calculations
right side: 24h 2.38x
left side: 16h 1x (or 32h 2x)

example:
using 32h DA 7801 hub and 24h XR-270 (589ERD)
right: 287mm
left: 280mm

mihlbach

Yes...is that your wheel? If so, is that a DA hub? Whats the tension differential between the DS and NDS.

mihlbach

Thats what I'm thinking, but so far no luck.

JohnDThompson 

The rim is DEFINITELY heavier as a result. One of the local shops got some high-zoot wheels of some sort last year (Reynolds, IIRC). On a lark, I asked them to compare the weight of the front wheel with my 25 year old, 36-spoke front wheel I use for training. The fancy wheel was only 40gm lighter. I could probably save that much weight on a typical ride by emptying the change out of my wallet before I start.