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The lure of Ti

Old 12-11-10, 01:28 PM
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Titanium has held a certain allure for me too. For the superficial, I prefer the look of metal frames. I like that there is no worrying about rust and no need to paint it. I have considered steel as well, I'm looking for a comfortable bike for n+1. Of course the durability is probably the major advantage.

But in those moments when I'm honest with myself I really wonder if Titanium or steel actually is more comfortable than carbon. Of course, it's true that it depends on the bike and geometry. But let's say a Roubaix or a Synapse or a Jamis Endura Xenith. I have a hard time finding out if a sportive, relaxed geometry steel or Ti bike would beat those for comfort and stiffness. I kind of doubt it. I think the allure of Ti is more that it's just something different, which is great when you're looking at your bike or others are looking at it but makes no difference for the actual experience when your butt is in the saddle and you're riding (unless there's a placebo effect going on, which I don't doubt...I think my bike is comfortable because it's Ti).

Having said that, if someone were to give me a Soul Destiny Ti bike I wouldn't complain :-)

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Old 12-11-10, 01:46 PM
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Sounds like you might be wanting a bike like mine.

Here's my custom Habanero with custom Blacksheep unicrown Ti fork and Seven Ti seatpost. The Ti fork is by no means light (about 650g) but rides beautifully both on road and off. James at Blacksheep built it pretty stuff, but it still feels WAY more plush that my old Ritchey Comp carbon fork. It can take up to ~42c tires and still fit fenders, or ~45c without fenders.
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Old 12-11-10, 02:27 PM
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kinda have a thing for Litespeed's ...


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Old 12-11-10, 03:22 PM
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Oh goodie! Another venue to post my bike.

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Old 12-11-10, 03:25 PM
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Thank God!
You won't find your 'God' here.

This is BF.
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Old 12-11-10, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
You won't find your 'God' here.

This is BF.
Maybe as Pope, you could pass on the message.
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Old 12-11-10, 03:31 PM
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Maybe as Pope, you could pass on the message.
We'll see.
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Old 12-11-10, 04:55 PM
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Nothing wrong w/a little paint on a Ti frame.

Not mine.



Mine (this bike just got in from a 20-mile ride in the rain. It's drying off in the garage.)


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Old 12-11-10, 04:57 PM
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none of the above (maybe the first Baum).

https://www.kishbike.com/gallery/

now you're welcome.





Ok, they're all cool bikes on these pages. But I really like the Kish stuff. He does a lot of etching on his frames too.
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Old 12-11-10, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by x43x View Post
The person that welds all of the Davidson ti frames also welds the Hampsten frames. His name is Max and he started his own company called 333Fab (Triple Three Fab). He's a really nice guy. Used to work for Merlin and Seven before coming to Seattle.
I have met Max; "really nice guy" is a perfect description.

Here's some of his welds (from my bike):





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Old 12-11-10, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
STFU, get the stupid bike, and RIDE it.

Pcad. What in the hell are you fixin to launch off of that stem, the space shuttle..Stem pointing straight up. Handlebars down....
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Old 12-11-10, 05:22 PM
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I vote classic Ti aesthetics (narrow tubes and no paint) as well.

Just scored some vintage Ti myself and I LOVE it. After the new year she will likely be getting some 11s Campy but it rides brilliantly as-is.


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Old 12-11-10, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BengeBoy View Post
Nothing wrong w/a little paint on a Ti frame.
Yes, yes there is. IMHO of course.
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Old 12-11-10, 06:26 PM
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You guys all suck!

Ok, so what do I look for and look to avoid in a used Ti bike?

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Besides it's the allure of Ti you imbeciles.
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Old 12-11-10, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by El Conquistador De Amore View Post
If I could afford custom ti right now I'd go for Lynskey or the Merlin Cyrene. I agree with not wanting a painted ti frame. I love the Cyrene. No paint, not even a decal. All etched.



I am torn between the Cyrene and a Lynskey Helix. The Cyrene looks better but I think the Helix would be a better performer. I have never need a Helix up close and am not sure if I would like the twisted tubes or not. A friend has a Cyrene and damm it is that a nice looking bike. However, I have not been able to find a Cyrene in my size (61cm). I called Merlin and they aren't building them right now, probably because of the economy.
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Originally Posted by x43x View Post
The person that welds all of the Davidson ti frames also welds the Hampsten frames. His name is Max and he started his own company called 333Fab (Triple Three Fab). He's a really nice guy. Used to work for Merlin and Seven before coming to Seattle.
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I have met Max; "really nice guy" is a perfect description.

Here's some of his welds (from my bike):




Steve designed a custom Gran Paradiso for me after Andy saw my fit and Max is working on my frame as we type

I was really impressed by his work after seeing it in person--second to none.
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the man knows how to sell a bike :drool:
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Rode 200k today in Maryland / PA on my 2010 Ti Motobecane cross bike. XTR pedals, Neuvation wheels, 4 Season 700x28 tires, Fizik Aliante saddle.

Could not be happier with the comfort and performance of this bike. I have owned a custom Titus, Sampson Ti (not good) and now the BikesDirect cross bike. Obviously the BikesDirect bike is not custom, but I feel it rides like a high end custom Ti.

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Old 12-11-10, 08:47 PM
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Moots, Lynskey or Baum for the ultimate Ti bike IMO. But if your on a budget, you can get the Motobecane Ti frame ONLY for $799. Much cheaper than Habenero and a WAY much better built frame. Habenro I believe is made in China and the Moto is built in Taiwan by a ORA engineering in a very high tech facility, welds are noticeable much smoother and nicer. I too after seeing all these fancy nice Ti bikes almost pulled the trigger on a Motobecane but switched at the very last minute and called Lynskey to see what they had to offer. After talking to them, I couldnt say no. My build wont be done until early Feb. I ordered a Medium Cooper w/ industrial mill finish and a Edge/Enve 2.0 fork, it will be built up with full Sram Force and Sram S27 wheelset. Cant wait!
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I don't know why people always say MOOTS for the ultimate titanium bike frame.

If you're going to fork over thousands to MOOTS, why not just skip the middle man and go to the founder of MOOTS, Kent Eriksen? He's a personal friend acquaintance and friend, and the shop is really great. When I'm in Steamboat in the summer I got in there some days and just hang out and help out at Orange Peel.

Great guys all around.

https://kenteriksen.com/
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
Read this first: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...nium-and-steel

"...bigger riders may find it (titanium) lacking. It's true what was said above that Ti bikes can be made stiffer using larger tubes - but not entirely true.
Interesting - I didnt know that, so thanks for sharing. This bike is going to be my "count the butterfly" long-slow-ride bike (or it would, if I were going to buy it, which I am obviously not), so I dont really need super stiff. Comfortable and soaking up the buzz would be better, even if that means a little flex

@Pcad - I would, but I need to clear out some bikes first. While I am a big gadget junkie, I use my gadgets. And if I have a bike that I am not riding (as I presently do, with the Excalibur), then that acts like a bike-block and prevents me from buying any more bikes. Have a potential buyer for the Excal, let's see how it goes.

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Old 12-11-10, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
Oh goodie! Another venue to post my bike.
Where your basket?

Btw, that Soul frameset is hot. That's the one that got my juices flowing for Ti, so to speak.
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Old 12-11-10, 11:21 PM
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This thread needs a Lynskey.....2009 R330.



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