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Never again Schwalbe....never again.

Old 01-02-11, 06:50 PM
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Never again Schwalbe....never again.

Cliff notes:

1) Schwalbe tires suck.
2) First tire goes flat in 8 miles.
3) Second Schwalbe goes flat after 45 miles.
4) Wife enjoys picking me up again with smug look on her face.

Long version...and rant.

So my bike came with Schwalbe Ultremo R.1 tires. 2010 Cannondale Supersix 3 I picked up a short time ago.

Not sure if people know, but the original Schwalbe R.1's have a recall due to warping and just plain crappiness. Yes, that is a word, crappiness.

So 8 miles on the bike, I get a rear flat. Yes, it was a pretty good piece of debris, but was somewhat surprised. I figure, oh well, stuff happens, but I was suspicious feeling these tires in my fingers...like cork or something. General poor feeling quality like foamy type feel. Might be good for a Japanese road that is perfectly smooth, or velodrome indoors...but apparently regular old bike lanes are not ideal for these things.

So I contact Schwalbe, they deny everything and say the recall applies to the original, and the suckiness is just isolated to the original..but they are sorry to hear of my flat tire. They say, take it to your LSB and determine the problem. I don't need an LSB to know, the tires suck. But ok, stuff happens, debris is everwhere and tires get holes...I know.

Okey dokey. So I'm waiting for some Conti GP 4000S to arrive my bro' swears by, and I just decide to hit the LSB and get a Conti Gator supreme ultimate whatever that should never have the issue so I can get back on the road.

So I go out on a few 20 miles rides, no issues, original Schwalbe still on the front holding up good, gator riding like a champ as I would expect for the $85 I dropped at the LSB for tire/tube/install on the back.

Well, today 17 miles into a ride on the way back.....pppppsssssssshhhhhhhhh.....

The front goes down. I look at the tire, I can't find anything wrong, but a slight mark at one spot...but who knows. So I'm close to home, call the wife, come pick me up....arrrrghhh! She has a little smirk on her face when she pulls up...AGAIN. Since I was just in the neighborhood last time, had her pick me up with the first Schwalbe flat. Humble pie....

So, my Conti GP 4000S showed up a week ago..and I decide to fix the flat and replace the gator and keep it for a spare and have a match set on the bike.

The flat tire/tube has what appears to be a pin hole in it causing it to go down. I look at the tire, and it has the slightest pin hole/mark also where I think the hole would be. Pretty sad actually, it wasn't much. When I hit whatever it was, it didn't even make a sound...just the aluminum scraping air deflating sound and it took like 20 seconds for it to finally go all out, which is a lot longer than the first one which went down in like 10 seconds.

I know, you don't care, story is getting long...

But, point of the matter...SCHWALBE suck. Never buying these tires, everyday roads in a bike lane seem to have the smallest debris that will blow out your Schwalbe tire.

Maybe you swear by Schwalbe and use them, and it is just my bad luck. Ok, so be it..but I won't buy a tire of their's ever.

I will see how the GPs hold up, buy my bro' has never got a flat with them in thousands on miles of riding the same types of roads...so we will see.

Some bad omen maybe...60 miles...two flats, same brand tire?? Hmmm...I think it's the tire, not an omen. Not superstitious.

Rant over....flame on Freds!!!!!

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Sucks that you have had such bad luck with them and I don't blame you for staying away from them in the future. I used to have a sponsorship with them and they were great. Definitely the best mountain bike tires I've ever had and on par with the best road tires I've ridden.
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I suggest investing in a spare tube to carry while you ride. The smug look your wife has is a "jeez my hubby spent $3000 on a bike and can't even get himself home after a single flat?" look.
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I've never used Schwalbe's, but they have their devotee's.

I've had great luck w/ my GP 4000's, though. An occasional flat, but they are better than anything else I've ever used.
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Where do you ride ?

I have nothing but good things to say about any Schwalbe tyre I have used.
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ahh, another noob gets a flat thread.

sounds like you have a problem with:

1) whining
2) running over crap with your bike
3) assigning blame
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This should be interesting when you get your first flat on the Contis.
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Send me your sucky R1's. I love mine and would be happy to have your faulty ones.
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Originally Posted by techlogik
Cliff notes:

1) Schwalbe tires suck.
2) First tire goes flat in 8 miles.
3) Second Schwalbe goes flat after 45 miles.
4) Wife enjoys picking me up again with smug look on her face.

Long version...and rant.

So my bike came with Schwalbe Ultremo R.1 tires. 2010 Cannondale Supersix 3 I picked up a short time ago.

Not sure if people know, but the original Schwalbe R.1's have a recall due to warping and just plain crappiness. Yes, that is a word, crappiness.

So 8 miles on the bike, I get a rear flat. Yes, it was a pretty good piece of debris, but was somewhat surprised. I figure, oh well, stuff happens, but I was suspicious feeling these tires in my fingers...like cork or something. General poor feeling quality like foamy type feel. Might be good for a Japanese road that is perfectly smooth, or velodrome indoors...but apparently regular old bike lanes are not ideal for these things.

So I contact Schwalbe, they deny everything and say the recall applies to the original, and the suckiness is just isolated to the original..but they are sorry to hear of my flat tire. They say, take it to your LSB and determine the problem. I don't need an LSB to know, the tires suck. But ok, stuff happens, debris is everwhere and tires get holes...I know.

Okey dokey. So I'm waiting for some Conti GP 4000S to arrive my bro' swears by, and I just decide to hit the LSB and get a Conti Gator supreme ultimate whatever that should never have the issue so I can get back on the road.

So I go out on a few 20 miles rides, no issues, original Schwalbe still on the front holding up good,
gator riding like a champ as I would expect for the $85 I dropped at the LSB for tire/tube/install on the back.

Well, today 17 miles into a ride on the way back.....pppppsssssssshhhhhhhhh.....

The front goes down. I look at the tire, I can't find anything wrong, but a slight mark at one spot...but who knows. So I'm close to home, call the wife, come pick me up....arrrrghhh! She has a little smirk on her face when she pulls up...AGAIN. Since I was just in the neighborhood last time, had her pick me up with the first Schwalbe flat. Humble pie....

So, my Conti GP 4000S showed up a week ago..and I decide to fix the flat and replace the gator and keep it for a spare and have a match set on the bike.

The flat tire/tube has what appears to be a pin hole in it causing it to go down. I look at the tire, and it has the slightest pin hole/mark also where I think the hole would be. Pretty sad actually, it wasn't much. When I hit whatever it was, it didn't even make a sound...just the aluminum scraping air deflating sound and it took like 20 seconds for it to finally go all out, which is a lot longer than the first one which went down in like 10 seconds.

I know, you don't care, story is getting long...

But, point of the matter...SCHWALBE suck. Never buying these tires, everyday roads in a bike lane seem to have the smallest debris that will blow out your Schwalbe tire.

Maybe you swear by Schwalbe and use them, and it is just my bad luck. Ok, so be it..but I won't buy a tire of their's ever.

I will see how the GPs hold up, buy my bro' has never got a flat with them in thousands on miles of riding the same types of roads...so we will see.

Some bad omen maybe...60 miles...two flats, same brand tire?? Hmmm...I think it's the tire, not an omen. Not superstitious.

Rant over....flame on Freds!!!!!

You paid someone to change your tyre?
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flats happen. best road feel for me is on schwalbe ultremo tires with the michelin pr 3's running a close second. i raced lots in my youth and always used tires with great adhesion on my race wheels and durable tires for training.

now that i only ride for pain and pleasure, i put race tires on all my wheels and change them when i see the casing.
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Originally Posted by MajorMantra
You paid someone to change your tyre?
...this probably is the second reason for 'that look' on the wife's face.
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First sorry to here you are so upset!.

I have some Schwalbes on our tandem nothing but good luck with them.
But as far as your trouble you can't blame the tire if you run something over and get a flat it happens take note of the path you take.
Have the tools to fix your flats and you will not need to call someone to help you.
I have had repeated flats in a short time as well as a cut in the sidewall of a new $60 tire that had to be replaced with about 10 miles on it can't blame the tire for it.

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Originally Posted by MegaTom
This should be interesting when you get your first flat on the Contis.
I eagerly await that thread. Sounds like a good case of bad luck and/or user error.

I have a set of Duranos with 3,000+ miles on them and no flats.
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Originally Posted by techlogik
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Long version...and rant.
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Learn to fix a tire on the road as most of us do (and yes, it can be done at the side of the road in minutes even in the rain), it will come in handy, and is a fact of life you have to accept and just deal with when cycling on public roads.

I have a real rant though...my rear tire flatted while on a magnetic trainer.....2011 is going to be just great I can tell...
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2500 miles on my ultremos. They are due for replacement, but I can't remember the last flat I had (knocks on wood). I even bought my wife a set of th new pink R.1s to match her bike.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
I have more than 900 miles on my Schwalbe Ultremo R.1 tyres, and I've never flatted on them, not even once.
This, even though I've raced on them, trained on them (just got home from 2 hours on them actually), and not really paid attention to them (like checking them, cleaning, wiping, etc)

I hope your luck improves with your next set of tyres!
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Ummm... what was the pressure in the Schwalbes when you left home?
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Ummm... what was the pressure in the Schwalbes when you left home?
It may have dropped a bit since the the time those mechanics fixed the flat for 85 bucks...
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Originally Posted by Quel
I suggest investing in 2 spare tubes to carry while you ride. The smug look your wife has is a "jeez my hubby spent $3000 on a bike and can't even get himself home after a single flat?" look.
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You got a flat tire and paid a shop 85 dollars to replace the tube and the tire? That's just awesome. Thanks for supporting your local shop.
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You got a flat tire and paid a shop 85 dollars to replace the tube and the tire? That's just awesome. Thanks for supporting your local shop.
I would have fixed his flat and replaced the tire for $65.00.
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We have had Schwalbe Marathon Racers on our Trek T900 tandem for a few hundred miles, and so far, (knocking furiously on any wood we can find) we have not had any flats or other troubles.
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I got a flat on my rear Conti 4000S today. It took a matter of 15 minutes to remove, patch and reinstall the tube by the roadside and be off riding again. Total cost: $1.50 for the spent CO2 canister, and ~25¢ for the patch. I also keep a spare tube in my saddle bag in case the flat one is beyond repair or I can't be bothered to patch it up.

Here are some pix of another 4000S that had a sidewall rip and the tube exploded out of it back in June:



And the rim that was rendered useless by the blowout:

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I recommend learning how to change a flat tire.

I empathize with your wife--I would not want to drive out to pick someone up over a flat tire.
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