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What's the difference - Cervelo R3 vs S3?

Old 01-02-11, 07:23 PM
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What's the difference - Cervelo R3 vs S3?

I currently have a 2009 Cervelo R3 (SL) that I'm very happy with, picked it up for a good price off eBay. Not that I want or need a new bike but just wondering what the difference is between a R3 and an S3? Which model do the pros use?
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The S3 is a totally different bike, honestly.

S3 = more aero. More expensive. More better.
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... More better.
This.
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
More better.
Shampoo is better.
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Until 2011, the geometry was identical. S3 is aero while the R3 is lighter.
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Until 2011, the geometry was identical. S3 is aero while the R3 is lighter.
wut
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
The S3 is a totally different bike, honestly.

S3 = more aero. More expensive. More better.
I'd have to disagree with this. If you've actually ridden and spent any significant time on BOTH of these bikes you'll find the differences to be quite minimal. In the past many have cited the R series bikes to a bit more of a daily rider and climber with more forgiving handling characteristics and perhaps more comfort, while the S series with its aero tubing has been viewed as the race oriented frame. As both frames have evolved (dating back to the SLC-SL) the line between the two has blurred, especially as the S3 has taken on more slender seat stays providing more vertical compliance and a more forgiving ride. Having ridden both I'd lean towards the S3, but riding them back to back you'll be hard pressed to choose one over the other. They're both great bikes.

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https://www.cervelo.com
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
The S3 is a totally different bike, honestly.

S3 = more aero. More expensive. More better.
Do you care to enlighten us how much the saving is at approx 25mph?

That would of course also mean that a TT helmet is 'more better'
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Originally Posted by sbxx1985 View Post
Shampoo is better.

Many people may not realize the mechanics of a good hair conditioner. In all honesty, conditioners are far more complex than most hair products, such as shampoo. First, you must realize that conditioners are there to treat the hair after shampooing occurs. Conditioners often help replenish the look and feel of the hair after shampooing. Conditioners can help moisturize, add shine and manageability. Much like a fabric softener does to your clothing, after washed in a detergent. A conditioner should only be applied to the hair shaft and the ends, especially, the ends. Never apply a hair conditioner to the scalp, it will buildup and create a limp look. Because the hair at the shaft and ends are "dead"; it is chemically inert and insoluble; therefore, many conditioners may claim to change the structure of the hair, but it's purely from a superficial standpoint. Conditioners may coat the hair with a protein or polymer and this gives the simulation of thickness; but conditioners do not penetrate the hair and improve the internal fiber structure.


One of the biggest mistakes people make is using too much conditioner. Depending on the length/thickness of your hair, you should only use an amount about the size of a 10 cent piece - and don't apply it to your roots! To be safe - allow at least a inch between the roots and your hair that is conditioner free - this section will naturally become oily from your scalp - applying conditioner to it will make it worse.

If you're looking to smooth out some of the waves and are using conditioner to help control your hair a little, change from using conditioner to a silicone based smoothing product. Or a curl creme which will help hold but won't give you the greasy look. You might have to experiment a little to find a styling product that does what you want it to. And read the directions and start with a small amount of the product. Gobs is not better.

In conclusion, conditioner is better because it makes your hair silky and smooth

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Originally Posted by Lectron View Post
Do you care to enlighten us how much the saving is at approx 25mph?

That would of course also mean that a TT helmet is 'more better'
Great..Quoting my-selves.....So Caddy.....
But no-one seems to bother to mention that...

CdA is hardly affected, but doing Tri or TT, every li'll bit counts
For longer rides, increased comfort would most likely do much more good than the hardly
mentionable decrease of CdA. If you do not feel good on the bike, you wont do good.
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Originally Posted by freeskihp View Post
Many people may not realize the mechanics of a good hair conditioner. In all honesty, conditioners are far more complex than most hair products, such as shampoo. First, you must realize that conditioners are there to treat the hair after shampooing occurs. Conditioners often help replenish the look and feel of the hair after shampooing. Conditioners can help moisturize, add shine and manageability. Much like a fabric softener does to your clothing, after washed in a detergent. A conditioner should only be applied to the hair shaft and the ends, especially, the ends. Never apply a hair conditioner to the scalp, it will buildup and create a limp look. Because the hair at the shaft and ends are "dead"; it is chemically inert and insoluble; therefore, many conditioners may claim to change the structure of the hair, but it's purely from a superficial standpoint. Conditioners may coat the hair with a protein or polymer and this gives the simulation of thickness; but conditioners do not penetrate the hair and improve the internal fiber structure.


One of the biggest mistakes people make is using too much conditioner. Depending on the length/thickness of your hair, you should only use an amount about the size of a 10 cent piece - and don't apply it to your roots! To be safe - allow at least a inch between the roots and your hair that is conditioner free - this section will naturally become oily from your scalp - applying conditioner to it will make it worse.

If you're looking to smooth out some of the waves and are using conditioner to help control your hair a little, change from using conditioner to a silicone based smoothing product. Or a curl creme which will help hold but won't give you the greasy look. You might have to experiment a little to find a styling product that does what you want it to. And read the directions and start with a small amount of the product. Gobs is not better.

In conclusion, conditioner is better because it makes your hair silky and smooth
I shave my head so both are useless to me. Hair is heavy.

As for the OP's question. If you ever ride into a headwind, or solo on a breakaway. The S series is where you want to go. The World Road Race Champion Thor Hushovd rides one, and he does it for a reason.
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According to Cervelo's tech presentation The S3 has a 1.5% reduction in drag over the R3. Check out their tech presentations here:

https://www.cervelo.com/en_us/enginee...presentations/
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Great..Quoting my-selves.....So Caddy.....
But no-one seems to bother to mention that...

CdA is hardly affected, but doing Tri or TT, every li'll bit counts
For longer rides, increased comfort would most likely do much more good than the hardly
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My own Cervelo S2 is incredibly comfortable, and the S3 is supposed to be even more comfortable.
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Originally Posted by Soloist Assassin View Post
According to Cervelo's tech presentation The S3 has a 1.5% reduction in drag over the R3. Check out their tech presentations here:

https://www.cervelo.com/en_us/enginee...presentations/
Hehe, not bad...I would have guessed CdA savings at around max. 0.005
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
My own Cervelo S2 is incredibly comfortable, and the S3 is supposed to be even more comfortable.
That could also be your fat a$$ covered with what must be like hulk-like skin after all your riding
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
My own Cervelo S2 is incredibly comfortable, and the S3 is supposed to be even more comfortable.
qft
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qft
And...Marketing always wins
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And...Marketing always wins
That being said, I wouldn't spend the extra 1600 for an S3 over an S2. S2 is plenty comfortable, and light.
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To add some numbers....

If we take Floyd Landis Max sustain W over 2h, he would theoretically save 3W if in front all the time

It's not like it doesn't matter, but it really ain't that much either
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Originally Posted by Velo Gator View Post
wut
Up until this year, the s3 and r3 shared the same geometry. For 2011, R3 and R5 now fall closer to the RS geometry using taller head tubes.
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Originally Posted by Lectron View Post
Do you care to enlighten us how much the saving is at approx 25mph?
Not really, no.
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Originally Posted by Flak
Ahh BF. Never letting a complete lack of experience with the product in question get in the way of posting like a guru.
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Originally Posted by simonaway427 View Post
Up until this year, the s3 and r3 shared the same geometry. For 2011, R3 and R5 now fall closer to the RS geometry using taller head tubes.
Sorry, I thought you meant all R vs. S series. The head tubes on the larger R# bikes this year give them an even closer geometry to the RS, as well.
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Shampoo is better.
Stop looking at me swan!
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