I ride with my headphones on...
01-05-11, 03:50 PM
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Look, I really don't care what folks do. You want to ride without ear buds then have it. But to suggest that it is somehow safer than riding without them is just silly IMHO.
01-05-11, 03:58 PM
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No offense but this is really an ignorant statement. Life is filled with examples of what common sense tells us is true being false.
Would you like a few example...
Prior to Dr. Ignaz- Phillipe Semmelweiss the most learned physicians in Europe thought child bed fever was caused by a "miasma". It was "obvious" to them that simple activities like washing hands could be of no benefit to halting this killer of young women. Even when Semmelweiss provided clear data that showed a reduction of mortality from 50% to less than 4% by simply washing hands, the common sense theory held sway.
Another example- The world is flat no? Obviously the sun, stars and moon move about us.
Another example- Bicycle helmets save lives- seems so obvious, so common sense like until you look carefully at the data and realize it is another decorative accessory . I could go on but why bother, all these points have been and currently are being posted in other threads far more eloquently than I could ever match.
Would you like a few example...
Prior to Dr. Ignaz- Phillipe Semmelweiss the most learned physicians in Europe thought child bed fever was caused by a "miasma". It was "obvious" to them that simple activities like washing hands could be of no benefit to halting this killer of young women. Even when Semmelweiss provided clear data that showed a reduction of mortality from 50% to less than 4% by simply washing hands, the common sense theory held sway.
Another example- The world is flat no? Obviously the sun, stars and moon move about us.
Another example- Bicycle helmets save lives- seems so obvious, so common sense like until you look carefully at the data and realize it is another decorative accessory . I could go on but why bother, all these points have been and currently are being posted in other threads far more eloquently than I could ever match.
01-05-11, 05:37 PM
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
01-05-11, 05:41 PM
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
01-05-11, 07:25 PM
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time out. time the **** out. forget headphones. are we really going to abandon common sense because several hundred years ago some people thought that the earth was flat? pre-scientific method, humans still got around pretty well by making inferences from their experiences. do you think you will be faster on your bike after training for three months or after eating 2 boxes of twinkies everyday for three months?
01-06-11, 01:17 AM
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I did a 12 mile ride through the city today with headphones on. Not once did I ever feel I couldn't hear an approaching car.
a) Those things are really loud
b) I'd have to have the volume up seriously loud to drown out all ambient noise
a) Those things are really loud
b) I'd have to have the volume up seriously loud to drown out all ambient noise
01-06-11, 08:18 AM
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Who said anything about naturally? When I was younger I could hear the sunset...and even then I rode with something in my ear. This notion that hearing is "crucial" to riding is incorrect, period. If you need it, great, but that does not automagically make it a requirement for everyone else.
01-06-11, 08:26 AM
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this thread is stupid as hell. ride with your headphones in if you want (I do). If you thin it is too dangerous then don't. simple as that. jeebus.
01-06-11, 08:35 AM
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how have I ever managed to survive all these years? Oh wait, I forgot, I'm God.
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01-06-11, 08:38 AM
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I think you might be hearing less than you think. Number of times I've done group rides and said something to the person right next to me in a pack, and they didn't realize I was even talking because they were listening to their Ipod.
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01-06-11, 09:07 AM
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I'm afraid to comment on this thread until I've reviewed all of the posts. I really don't have time. Would someone please read them into an mp3 file so I could listen to them on this afternoon's ride?
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01-06-11, 11:25 AM
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01-06-11, 12:04 PM
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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01-06-11, 01:33 PM
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I probably don't hear them as loudly as I would without the headphones but they are also substantially louder than people. I also don't have them blaring.
