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Trek 3.1?

Old 02-06-11, 08:04 PM
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Trek 3.1?

I'm about to pull the trigger on the trek 3.1 madone 2011. It has a 105 tranny and shifters and the rest are basic components.

Anyone have this bike, any comments? I'm in Calgary and it goes for $2k. I'm also considering the Opus andante, but it's an extra $150 plus I'd have to change out the seat as it's junk. It does have tektro (sp?) breaks and slighty better rims, but for what it's worth I'm still thinking the trek. Also, the trek would be from a close by LBS with seemingly awsome service while the Opus would come from a shop farther away and service would definetly be hit and miss as the place it crazy busy at times.

Any help would be great!
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Which one rides better?
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Trek 3.1. Basically, it's the previous model 5.X Series Madone.
Can't comment on the Opus, but judging from your post,
the Trek's a no-brainer (good LBS, local service, can't lose).

Good luck and whatever you get, post pics or it didn't happen.
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I've built a number of them. They don't have any glaring problems for the price, but for ~$300 less, have you considered the Trek 2.3, which uses an aluminum frame, better wheelset, and is solid Shimano 105 (other than wheel hubs)? As I recall, the two bikes weigh about the same, if that matters to you. You do go to a 68mm threaded BB instead of BB86 press-fit.


my own 2.custom

Trek 3.1. Basically, it's the previous model 5.X Series Madone.
Well not really though, the 3.1 has rack and fender mounts (!) and BB86 bottom bracket, and takes a seatpost instead of an external seat-mast cap. It's most similar to the 4-series Madone.

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Old 02-06-11, 08:13 PM
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I checked out the Opus on their website, that's a nice looking bike, though I know nothing of the brand.
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Old 02-06-11, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mechBgon View Post
I've built a number of them. They don't have any glaring problems for the price, but for ~$300 less, have you considered the Trek 2.3, which uses an aluminum frame, better wheelset, and is solid Shimano 105 (other than wheel hubs)? As I recall, the two bikes weigh about the same, if that matters to you. You do go to a 68mm threaded BB instead of BB86 press-fit.


my own 2.custom


Well not really though, the 3.1 has rack and fender mounts (!) and BB86 bottom bracket, and takes a seatpost instead of an external seat-mast cap. It's most similar to the 4-series Madone.
Absolutely did consider the 2.3 and realize the value in getting it. It's just that everyone is saying to get carbon if you can as it's less fatiguing. This is my first road bike with the intent to get into tri's. Also, I was thinkning if I did need to offload it someday, the carbon frame might help with resale...


Well not really though, the 3.1 has rack and fender mounts (!) and BB86 bottom bracket, and takes a seatpost instead of an external seat-mast cap. It's most similar to the 4-series Madone.[/
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Forget about both of them and get this.
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Get the Trek, either one. You'll piss off BF and you'll be happy.

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Old 02-06-11, 11:02 PM
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Spend $500 more and get a Cannondale SuperSix 4. Comes with full Sram Rival and a Sram Force BB30 crank. Serious bang for your buck with the C'dale. Or if you really want to stay under $2k, get the CAAD10 with the same Rival/Force components.
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Old 02-06-11, 11:17 PM
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IMHO you get more bang for the buck with the 4.5

You get a better fork, better wheels, and you get the duotap.
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Old 02-07-11, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ilovecycling View Post
Spend $500 more and get a Cannondale SuperSix 4. Comes with full Sram Rival and a Sram Force BB30 crank. Serious bang for your buck with the C'dale. Or if you really want to stay under $2k, get the CAAD10 with the same Rival/Force components.
Yea, $2k is my max as I'm already up from $1.8k! I think the CAAD10 is aluminum frame and I'm trying for carbon. Although, it got good reviews in the bike mag.

I had also considered the Synapse 5 2011 and the Tarmac Elite 2010 but both are just over $2k so I'm out of luck.

Any body own the 3.1 and ridden for a bit?
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Trek makes good bikes. If your butt fits well on the 3.1, if you are comfortable with it and most important if you trust/like the dealer then get it and start riding.
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I have not ridden the 3.1 but there is a lot about it I like:
1. geometry
2. fender and rack mounts
3. the components are pretty good, Shimano 105 shifters, cassette, derailleurs; Bontrager's stem and handlebars are much lighter than most OEM stuff.

I agree with the person who said the 4.5 probably offers more bang for the buck. However, I live in the PNW and the thought of having dedicated fender mounts is kind of enticing.
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Old 02-07-11, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by iFreedom View Post
and takes a seatpost instead of an external seat-mast cap.[/
Can you elaborate on this a little more? I'm eyeing the 2.3 as my next road bike and am not sure I understand what you're saying.
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Old 02-07-11, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ancker View Post
Can you elaborate on this a little more? I'm eyeing the 2.3 as my next road bike and am not sure I understand what you're saying.
Sure thing. A normal seatpost slides down inside the frame tube. Some carbon bikes like Madone 5's and 6's have a seatmast that sticks up, and the seatpost slides down over the outside of the seatmast. In Trek lingo, these "outie" seatposts are a "seatmast cap." As you can probably guess, the seatmast setup is proprietary by design.

For the record, the 2.x frame and fork do have eyelets for fender mounting, although if you're setting a road-racing bike up for fast riding, you might be better served by Raceblade fenders or Crud RoadRacer MkII's, depending on how much coverage you need and how quickly you want to install & remove them. I ordered some Cruds from the UK, still waiting for them, but I see bike shops will be able to get them from Seattle Bike Supply if you want them in the US: https://www.seattlebikesupply.com/catalog/crud-products I see two of SBS's four warehouses now have them in-stock.

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Old 02-07-11, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by iFreedom View Post
Yea, $2k is my max as I'm already up from $1.8k! I think the CAAD10 is aluminum frame and I'm trying for carbon. Although, it got good reviews in the bike mag.
When shopping for my new, and first, road bike I repeatedly heard the "upper end alloy better than lower end carbon" mantra. I ended up with a caad9-4 and love it. Just went to 25c tires and don't feel it's fatiguing at all. Although I've not ridden for more than 2 hours yet. You could get a pretty sweet caad10 for less than $2k. If you are focused on carbon I'd also look at Felt and Giant offerings. A Felt f5 goes for around $2k. I personally think you get a bit more for your money if you stay away from Trek/Specialized but they all make great bikes.
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Old 02-07-11, 11:17 AM
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Also, if you're doing tri, save some room in your budget for an aero bar. No other equipment will boost your speed more, for less money.
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just my .02 worth, but, a lot of these experienced guys are telling you to try the AL frame bikes for a reason... most higher end AL can be lighter and ride better than low end carbon... open your ears/mind up a bit instead of being stuck on carbon... to get carbon that is significantly better than AL you are going to step into the 2500-3000 dollar range... for half that price you can get a VERY nice AL bike, have money for your aero bars and other Tri specific gear that you will need...
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If your dealer has any you can get a leftover 2010 model at significant savings. You could, for instance get a 2010 carbon synapse 5 for well under your budget, or a CAAD9-4 for enough under your budget that you could buy a decent wheelset and aero bars and still be under your budget - even moreso for a CAAD9-5. I'm sure the same would hold true for Trek too. Does that LBS carry any other models or is it a Trek only?
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Note that the Madone 3.1 is a new-for-2011 model, so there wouldn't be any leftovers on that one. But a Madone 4-series, maybe.
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I like the 3.1 for the money. Checked out one at the shop a couple months ago and it was pretty cool looking. It had lower end components but the frame was well made and the geo was relaxed. Cool bike for the money.
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Originally Posted by bonz50 View Post
to get carbon that is significantly better than AL you are going to step into the 2500-3000 dollar range... for half that price you can get a VERY nice AL bike, have money for your aero bars and other Tri specific gear that you will need...
I call shenanigans.

Felt F5, Cannondale Supersix 5, Trek 4.5 and Specialized Elite Apex all have frames at or under 1000 grams, and come in at about $2100. The first two feature tapered steerers and oversize bottom brackets which you see very rarely on aluminum(except of course the Caad10 and Felt F75). Most of the above are frames which are featured on much nicer bikes, like the F5 frame which goes up to the F2 $7500 bike. The Specialized frameset is pretty much a redo of their top of the line frame.

As far as the price analysis; Felt F5 costs $2100, Felt F75 costs $1500. Supersix 5 costs $2100, Caad10 5 costs $1500. The F5 and F75 are as far as I can tell the exact same component specs. The Supersix has almost the same exact components if not slightly nicer than the Caad10.

So as far as I can tell, it's more accurate to say for about %75 of the price you can get an equivalently nice aluminum bike to a carbon bike from the same manufacturer.

I think the analogy that a good aluminum bike is better than a low end carbon bike is slowly finding its way out of being truthful. This idea was created 10 years ago when there wasn't much carbon to be had around $2000, and yes those frames were 1400 grams, and yes many people describe a "dead" feeling. I doubt anyone would describe the above 4 $2100 carbon bikes that way, and the objective data shows that these frames are beyond their aluminum counterparts.

Most manufacturers are using higher grades of carbon and molds and technology from higher end bikes such that the frames on $2000 bikes are really quite nice. I'm not taking anything away from high end aluminum, I ride it myself. But if carbon is in the budget, I think it's worth the leap.
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thanks for the input folks! Lots of info here. I def looked at left over models in particular found a Specialized roubaix (sp?) 2009 for $1.7k https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/730488/ but figured I should look for more of a performance/agressive fit that can handle hills, turns and accelarate well. I've read the roubaix is a great bike but not a zoom zoomy as say a Tarmac elite or a model with more drop. Felt F5 is more like $2.5k here so way out of my budget. And I haven't totally given up on CAAD10, but $2.2k for ultegra https://www.bowcycle.com/bc11/bikes/r...-c-white.shtml and $1.6k for 105 https://www.bowcycle.com/bc11/bikes/r...-c-black.shtml

I did find this 2010 specialized tarmac elite with the following for $2142 which has a stellar seat, so no upgraded need there. I did spin it and it felt great once they flipped the handle bar stem. The only problem is this bike shop is hit and miss with service, kind of a pain. Here are the specs:
Spec NameSpecialized Tarmac EliteFrameSpecialized FACT 8r-carbonForkSpecialized FACT-carbonRims/WheelsMavic CXP22HubsAluminumSpokes14g stainless-steelTiresSpecialized Mondo Pro II, 700 x 23c w/Flak Jacket puncture protectionCranksetShimanoChainwheel53/39Front DerailleurShimano 105Rear DerailleurShimano 105Rear CogsShimano 105, 10-speed: 12-27ShiftersShimano 105HandlebarsSpecialized Comp Ergo, aluminumTape/GripsSpecialized S-Wrap cork w/gel paddingStemSpecialized Comp-Set, aluminumBrake LeversShimano 105BrakesDual-pivotSaddleSpecialized Body Geometry ToupéSeat PostSpecialized Comp, FACT-carbon w/Zertz insert

Felt F5 is more like $2.5k here so way out of my budget. And I haven't totally given up on CAAD10, but $2.2k for ultegra https://www.bowcycle.com/bc11/bikes/r...-c-white.shtml and $1.6k for 105 https://www.bowcycle.com/bc11/bikes/r...-c-black.shtml
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Originally Posted by iFreedom View Post
Yea, $2k is my max as I'm already up from $1.8k! I think the CAAD10 is aluminum frame and I'm trying for carbon. Although, it got good reviews in the bike mag.

I had also considered the Synapse 5 2011 and the Tarmac Elite 2010 but both are just over $2k so I'm out of luck.

Any body own the 3.1 and ridden for a bit?
Top level alum is better than low to mid carbon,weight will be minimal
I rode a caad-10 and it feels as smooth as a tarmac 6r carbon that i rode
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Consider the Giant TCR Composite.. Under 2K. Actually $1,870 for pretty much full 105 minus brakes. Great warranty and in my opinion a great value.
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