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spacerconrad 03-14-11 09:39 AM

After finishing a windy event ride, I rode back along the route to find my wife and her friends. She was tucked in behind a fat guy. Smart gal, my wife.

DocM 03-14-11 09:50 AM

Draft me. I'm 6'4", 198#.

pablosnazzy 03-14-11 10:20 AM

the technique i use most for a headwind is to not ride against it.

banerjek 03-14-11 10:40 AM

I favor Machka's approach and use it myself.

Mathematical modeling can be useful, but I'm leery of relying too heavily on it for problems that contain too many variables. The first problem in the case at hand is that wind almost never behaves like a vector in real life. The direction and speed changes constantly.

A side wind hurts you and winds can even hurt you when they're a bit behind you if the side component is sufficient. Just because you ride into a headwind going out does not necessarily mean you'll get a tailwind coming back even if that is a real possibility.

Most cyclists have a difficult time fighting the temptation to maintain speed/cadence, particularly when they're trying to maintain a decent pace. When you're going into a headwind that's changing continuously, the practical effect is that you're constantly accelerating and wasting energy. In effect, you get tricked into putting out more power than you should.

If I find myself in wind, I drop the effort and try not to look at the computer. When it's windy on organized rides, I sometimes catch drop the entire pacelines while riding solo 30 miles after they blew by me because they worked too hard.

If you're going to be out for awhile, the key with wind is to come to terms with inevitability. Fighting Mother Nature is an exercise in futility. If it's raining, accept that you'll get wet. If it's windy, accept that you'll be slow. You'll last much longer and have more fun. In the end, you might well find you're faster as well.

SpecialJohnnyG 03-14-11 11:16 AM

+1 on the power meter. I hit the drops and try to aim for steady power output regardless of speed. If the wind is gusting, my speed will go up and down a bit, but I always try to aim for steady power and avoid hard accelerations to regain lost speed due to a gust. Heartrate is a good indicator as well and I find myself using that even more and power output less these days. I don't like to be too focused on power coming out of my winter/lazy season.

wkndwarrior 03-14-11 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by kenji666 (Post 12353350)
53x11 gear, stand up, and grind against it @ 40 rpm. Am I doing something wrong?

Ouch, I imagine that would be hard on my knees...

caloso 03-14-11 12:31 PM

Curse a lot. It won't make you go any faster but it may make you feel better.

himespau 03-14-11 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by travkat (Post 12352881)
Draft a larger (read big tall and fat) rider for all you can :)

yeah, but I can't be everywhere for everyone at once.

clink83 03-14-11 12:44 PM

Step 1) start ride into wind. Step 2) ride second half of ride with wind at your back.

Cateye 03-14-11 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by rangerdavid (Post 12351958)
So, what's the best technique?

Draft

caloso 03-14-11 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by clink83 (Post 12359386)
Step 1) start ride into wind. Step 2) ride second half of ride with wind at your back.

Many's the ride I've gone 5 miles past my house just so I could turn around and finish with a sweet tailwind.

merlinextraligh 03-14-11 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by clink83 (Post 12359386)
Step 1) start ride into wind. Step 2) ride second half of ride with wind at your back.

Living near the coast, this is the guiding principle for most every ride.

vandalarchitect 03-14-11 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 12355706)
I thick you'll be hard pressed to find any successful time trialer or coach that reccpomends laying off into the wind

You're probably right, but in a TT wouldn't the assumption be to go as fast as possible by maintaining high output for the entire event, more like the 200 watts for 2 hours regardless of the wind speed or direction? In other races where speed would matter you'll most likely have others to draft and this discussion becomes less of an issue.

For those who are just out on a daily ride, maybe trying to minimize a little bit of the suffering, Machka's method has a lot of merit.

back4more 03-14-11 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by pablosnazzy (Post 12358539)
the technique i use most for a headwind is to not ride against it.

I thought that was for the direction not to spit or pee in. :lol:

banerjek 03-14-11 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by back4more (Post 12359578)
I thought that was for the direction not to spit or pee in. :lol:

Don't forget snot rockets...

merlinextraligh 03-14-11 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by vandalarchitect (Post 12359570)
You're probably right, but in a TT wouldn't the assumption be to go as fast as possible by maintaining high output for the entire event, more like the 200 watts for 2 hours regardless of the wind speed or direction? In other races where speed would matter you'll most likely have others to draft and this discussion becomes less of an issue.

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No, the 5% solution tests out as faster with wind, and hills. In a flat windless TT, you'd ideally want to put out constant power at threshold for the full time. But because you lose more time going into the wind, and uphill, the better pacing is 5% over threshold in those circumstances, and then recover (5% under threshold) on the downhill or down wind, where you're losing less time.

The studies in the links i gave confirm this. Thus the conventional wisdom that you go hard when its hard and easy when its easy.

Now, a strategy of easing off into the wind, and going harder downwind may be helpful as a coping strategy, or to avoid blowing up on a long ride.

But it is going to be slower.

I never said there's anything wrong with that approach. I just said it's slower, and it is.

thump55 03-14-11 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by vandalarchitect (Post 12359570)
You're probably right, but in a TT wouldn't the assumption be to go as fast as possible by maintaining high output for the entire event, more like the 200 watts for 2 hours regardless of the wind speed or direction?

No.

Merlin is saying (correctly) that you are better off time wise to push above your "mean" output when going into the wind and drop below that (to rest from that greater exertion) when you have a tailwind.

I_like_cereal 03-14-11 02:01 PM

Riding into a headwind on a down slope I use a technique that I borrowed from my MTB days. Put your butt off the back of the saddle and get real low. You can spin a little but not crank.

If I am not on a down hill I slide back as much as possible and spin in the drops.

BarracksSi 03-14-11 02:25 PM

I just quit looking at the speedometer.

revchuck 03-14-11 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by grwoolf (Post 12358042)
the real world (chuck norris) answer is "listen to whatever Jens Voigt says."

fify. ;)

azshtr 03-14-11 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by BarracksSi (Post 12359922)
I just quit looking at the speedometer.

x2. I just ride what feels like a normal effort regardless of actual speed. Now the one time my son talked my into a ride with 30 plus head winds was interesting, we didn't get far.

Paul Y. 03-14-11 06:57 PM

say in cadence: I think I can, I think I can.:D

grwoolf 03-14-11 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by revchuck (Post 12360471)
fify. ;)

Good call, I forgot to do the cycling translation.

lazerzxr 03-14-11 08:37 PM

I ride gentle into the wind when heading away from home - that way I have some juice left in the tank when I get to the furthest point from home and the wind changes direction so I can hammer it all the way back. I never rely on there ever being a tail wind on a windy day, it just never seems to happen around here.

There are some exceptions, 1 being if there is another cyclist in front of me struggling, then I will make sure I pass them at max 2min sustainable effort so they dont get on my tail. Its also a bit of a laugh :)

chadteck 03-15-11 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by StephenH (Post 12353037)
Hmm, playing with some numbers here.
Using this website for power calculations:
http://www.noping.net/english/

Using my weight, arbitrary power numbers, etc.

Suppose I have 15 mph headwind half the time (half the time, not half the distance) and 5 mph headwind the other half.

If I ride with 200 watts constant power for 2 hours, I get 1 hour at 12.1 mph, 1 hour at 16.9 mph, total distance 29 miles.

If I ride with 250 watts power in the strong wind and 150 watts power in the weak wind, I get 1 hour at 13.7 mph, 1 hour at 14.7 mph, and total of 28.4 miles.

If I ride with 150 wats in the strong wind and 250 watts in the weak wind, I get 1 hour at 10.2 mph and 1 hour at 18.7 mph, and total of 28.9 miles. Better than the more-power-in-the-wind, not quite as good as holding uniform power.

If you figured strong wind for half the distance, not half the time, that might swing the other way, I haven't tried to see. But it looks like potentially some benefit in Machka's method.

It definitely does. The problem with this is that you are using half the time (as you stated). If you are really riding an out and back, or a loop with constant wind direction, you will be in the headwind for half the distance but more than half the time since the headwind is slowing you - and the opposite for tailwind.

Merlin's advice is sound in cases of an out and back or loop TT. In cases like Machka is describing (several hours into a headwind), it would be best to simply maintain whatever pace you can maintain for the duration, whether the headwind is blowing strong or letting up. If you're riding several hundred miles one way, you can't exactly say "OK, I'm going to ride over threshold until I get out of this headwind."

In either case, getting as aero as possible is going to help you out.

Edit: I'll add that one thing that works well for me is not being able to hear the wind. Headwind doesn't bother me nearly as much if I've got headphones on.


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