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Old 03-14-11, 06:39 AM
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I am wondering about something. When riding with certain guys on the road I generally can outpace them. When involved with a stationary bike race I lose to them. Can I blame something or someone other than myself for this?! I weigh more than these guys. Does that make any difference? Or is that maybe they are just better sprinters? I notice that it looks like I am working harder than they when involved in the stationary bike racing, but they get better times. Should I just get over the fact that I lost?!
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Stationary bike "speed" is meaningless. And get over losing. It'll happen a lot in cycling. Even the best pro racers lose a lot more than they win.
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...really?
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What assumptions does the stationary bike race make about weight, wind resistance?

And yes you should get over the fact that you lost.
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Agreed, get the wattage numbers on the trainers and it may show a different story.
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Originally Posted by Bill
I am wondering about something. When riding with certain guys on the road I generally can outpace them. When involved with a stationary bike race I lose to them.
How are you outpacing them? Riding away on the flats? If the stationary bike (Computrainer?) simulates a different type of course you might be at a disadvantage. Do you enter your weight into the trainer?
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yes, when riding a computrainer my weight is entered. the race I was involved in used trainers. I have noticed that on the computrainer I tend to outride the others when going up hills and lose to them on flats and downhills. This is the reverse of what happens in outdoor riding.
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Were/are all the riders in both events the same?
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[QUOTE=Bill;12359540 I have noticed that on the computrainer I tend to outride the others when going up hills and lose to them on flats and downhills. This is the reverse of what happens in outdoor riding.[/QUOTE]

That's telling you something. Listen to it.
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Originally Posted by Bill
yes, when riding a computrainer my weight is entered. the race I was involved in used trainers. I have noticed that on the computrainer I tend to outride the others when going up hills and lose to them on flats and downhills. This is the reverse of what happens in outdoor riding.
On the actual road, a larger rider has a relative advantage over a smaller rider on the flats and downhill. That's because in those instances the relevant metric is watts to frontal area. Because surface volume does not increas linearly to weight, Larger riders often have better power to frontal are ratios, than similarly fit smaller riders. ( Think Cancellera versus Contador).

Conversely on hills, the metric is power to weight, and the smaller rider has a relative advantage.

So it sounds like the programming of the Computrainer thinks you are less aerodynamic than you are, i.e. it increase the aerodynamic drag based on your size to too great of an extent.

And it's assumption about the w/kg necessary to do the simulated climbs seems to be understated, at least based on this limited sample.
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Computrainer racing? Get your butt outside. That's where you race.
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Originally Posted by Bill
yes, when riding a computrainer my weight is entered. the race I was involved in used trainers. I have noticed that on the computrainer I tend to outride the others when going up hills and lose to them on flats and downhills. This is the reverse of what happens in outdoor riding.
What does it matter? Has USAC started giving out upgrade points for trainer races?
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Even though I'm slow, I'm pretty sure I could beat a guy on a stationary bike.
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The bad news is that you haven't beaten anyone.
The good news is that no one has beaten you either.
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Even though I'm slow, I'm pretty sure I could beat a guy on a stationary bike.
I'd like to see that... at least the look on their face as you pulled away.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
So it sounds like the programming of the Computrainer thinks you are less aerodynamic than you are, i.e. it increase the aerodynamic drag based on your size to too great of an extent.

And it's assumption about the w/kg necessary to do the simulated climbs seems to be understated, at least based on this limited sample.
There may be an alternative explanation. There's obviously something dreadfully wrong with gravity and air density where the OP rides. Probably the beginnings of a tear in the space-time continuum. OP is in danger of riding straight into a parallel universe.

A letter of thanks to the fine folks at Computrainer is probably in order.
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Originally Posted by jroth
Computrainer racing? Get your butt outside. That's where you race.
I'd like to. The temperature needs to come up.
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