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Water Bottle on the Road: Significant Threat?

Old 03-18-11, 11:23 AM
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Water Bottle on the Road: Significant Threat?

Yesterday during a pace line group ride, a rider somewhere ahead of me dropped his water bottle. He immediately called it out and all of us managed to miss it. However, it shook me a bit and got me wondering as to how hazardous WBs are. Assuming the bottle is full/near full and your front wheel strikes it either parallel or perpendicular, are we looking at a certain fall? Simply scooting it aside/crushing it? Somewhere between?
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Old 03-18-11, 11:32 AM
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At the inaugural Whistler Gran Fondo last year (Vancouver - Whistler, 120Km), some moron threw a water bottle somewhere "to the side" of the road. Another rider ran over it, took a tumble and cracked his skull on the concrete road barrier. Not certain, but I heard he had to be airlifted to hospital. Enough said.

Oh, and what of the moron? Never heard whether to 'fess up or even realized what the consequences of his stupid actions were.
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Originally Posted by patrickgm60 View Post
Yesterday during a pace line group ride, a rider somewhere ahead of me dropped his water bottle. He immediately called it out and all of us managed to miss it. However, it shook me a bit and got me wondering as to how hazardous WBs are. Assuming the bottle is full/near full and your front wheel strikes it either parallel or perpendicular, are we looking at a certain fall? Simply scooting it aside/crushing it? Somewhere between?
No, I think if you simply strike it with your wheel, you'll stay up. The real danger is having it kick into your spokes, causing an endo, and possibly destroying a wheel or fork. In any event, learn to safely bunny hop if you don't already know how.
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Old 03-18-11, 12:40 PM
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If you hit it with your front wheel, you can go down very easily (ask a friend of mine about pine cones). In a pace line, the danger is expounded due to the tight riding of everyone.
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Old 03-18-11, 01:22 PM
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Dropping a WB in a race should have the same consequences as rolling a tire, suspension.
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At the beginning of a century ride, 2 years ago, I was in the first group of about 40 people 4 wide. Bottle came out from my left, right after a left turn bounced off my front tire and then wedged into the rear tire spokes of the rider to my right taking him down and about 6 others.
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Old 03-18-11, 02:06 PM
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They're hazardous, but it's not a guaranteed fall. I've had a water bottle go under my wheels before and managed to stay upright. Not that I'd want to try that again.
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Old 03-18-11, 02:13 PM
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I saw a water bottle dropped on a group ride a few years back. A rider ran it over, but the top popped off - no harm done.

That rider then attacked the bottle-dropper at a regroup 20 minutes later, but came out on the losing end of the fight.

So - I guess you can say his running over a bottle broke his nose...
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Old 03-18-11, 02:46 PM
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The times I've seen bottles bounce out of cages on rough roads during races, no one has crashed (not to say that it won't or can't happen). It freaks you out because there's a bottle spinning out of control, usually going sideways through the field and no one can swerve to avoid it.

Someone in front of me ran one over with their rear wheel once and I got a shower because it popped the lid off.
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Old 03-18-11, 03:57 PM
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i was in this crit last year in a field of 50 3-4-5 +mixed. and someone dropped a bottle in the middle of a turn in the center of the road. lap after lap riding up to 8 wide noboby went down. and I only saw it get hit once or twice.
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Old 03-18-11, 04:15 PM
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I use glass water bottles.
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In general you should really make it a point to learn to go over loose rolly obstacles.... weight back, front tire light or even lifting. if the front tire clears it, your odds of survival are much improved. It's not just water bottles, there are any number of road hazards ranging from unseen pot holes, rolling beer bottles, snapple bottles, squirrels, pomeranians... you name it.

Now for all those morons w/ loose spindly wire or 3gram saving carbon bottle cages that dont grip tight..... a good fierce bottle cage is $12. Don't let me have to dodge a bottle that popped out of your flimsy $60 cage. You'll hear about it.
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Old 03-19-11, 12:59 AM
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I know someone who somehow managed to run over her own dropped bottle. She lost consciousness and broke her collar bone. It's not a guaranteed fall, but it has a good chance if it rolls enough to kick your wheel too far to one side.
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Old 03-20-11, 10:24 AM
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In general you should really make it a point to learn to go over loose rolly obstacles.... weight back, front tire light or even lifting. if the front tire clears it, your odds of survival are much improved.
Great point, nyc; thanks.
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Old 03-20-11, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tmass View Post
At the beginning of a century ride, 2 years ago, I was in the first group of about 40 people 4 wide. Bottle came out from my left, right after a left turn bounced off my front tire and then wedged into the rear tire spokes of the rider to my right taking him down and about 6 others.
Most poorly constructed sentence ever.

And lots of superfluous info. Storytelling is not your strong point.
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I managed to catch a flying WB from my own cage during my recent ride in Solvang. The road was incredibly rough and the bottle jumped out of the cage. I'm not sure how I was lucky enought o see it happening AND get my hand there to intercept it on the descent, but I managed to save the folks behind me from an out-of-control obstacle as well as save the remaining water in the bottle.
Sometimes one gets lucky; other times not so much.
It boils down to awareness, both on the part of the rider that loses the bottle and those needing to avoid it while it flops around on the road.
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Old 03-20-11, 11:58 AM
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Did any of y'all catch Milan-San Remo yesterday? Once, with 41.4km left - and just a minute or so later - a rider tossed a bottle towards the sides, it hit something and bounced right back onto the road, fairly close to the peloton.

Wonder if there was any yelling then.

There WAS yelling later - with about 30km - when the lead group came around a corner and the cameraman/motorcycle was going too slow, so much so that the leader, a Katusha rider, had to coast a little and was pretty much drafting the motorbike for a few seconds. He gave the cameraman a piece of his mind VERY loudly and the motorbike immediately accelerated and GTFO the way.
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Originally Posted by guadzilla View Post
Did any of y'all catch Milan-San Remo yesterday? Once, with 41.4km left - and just a minute or so later - a rider tossed a bottle towards the sides, it hit something and bounced right back onto the road, fairly close to the peloton.

Wonder if there was any yelling then.

There WAS yelling later - with about 30km - when the lead group came around a corner and the cameraman/motorcycle was going too slow, so much so that the leader, a Katusha rider, had to coast a little and was pretty much drafting the motorbike for a few seconds. He gave the cameraman a piece of his mind VERY loudly and the motorbike immediately accelerated and GTFO the way.
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Originally Posted by colombo357 View Post
Most poorly constructed sentence ever.
You, sir, are a master of irony.
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Originally Posted by saratoga View Post
Someone in front of me ran one over with their rear wheel once and I got a shower because it popped the lid off.
Exact same thing happend to me. Was in the middle of a race-ride pack and a bottle popped out right after going over train tracks. Was glad it was just water and not some kind sugar mix.

Tacx and similar bottles are safter in these situations compared to the standard Specialized bottles as they are more likely to deform and have the lid pop than act like a cylinder of brick
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You should call out things even if they won't usually cause a crash...
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I use glass water bottles.
I use plastic water bottles.
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Originally Posted by colombo357 View Post
Most poorly constructed sentence ever.

Originally Posted by rooftest View Post
You, sir, are a master of irony.
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Anyone who has bottles popping out seriously needs to rethink their choice in bottle cages.

I have a $12 specialized Rib Cage and I ride in NYC (can you say "conEd Crater"? I knew you could) and I've never had a bottle pop out with these cages. They're cheap. They're light. And they don't drop bottles.

Wire cages? Hey, no problem. Just don't ride around other people.

4gram carbon cages? Again, stick to time trials and stay away from any groups, especially any group I might be in.

Thank you.
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