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Lost cycling strenght/ fitness. What happened?

Old 03-18-11, 07:31 PM
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Lost cycling strenght/ fitness. What happened?

I quick intro: cat 4, second year racing, 19 yo, all the time in the world, 7000 miles in 2010.

Hey guys, I got a huge problem on my hands. Being a competitive cyclist this was probably one of my greatest fears (that I did not know of) loosing my fitness.

Last September / october I was feeling great. Did great in cat 3/4 races, was a great climber, just generally felt good. Starting in movements I started to tone my hours down a bit to about 10 a week because I didn't want to overtrain. Most of that was steady miles or a group ride here and there. In january I had some family issues and took two weeks of from training, but still ran, did core work, swam a bit. 5-7 hours weekly of "cross training"?

Late January I slowly started up my routine again, and in February i started adding some speed work to my routine.

Come my first race, a cat 4/5 training race... I got 20th. Beat by about 12/13 cat 5's. Could not find the energy for the sprint. Second race? Came in 25th. Same race, field, pack sprint. My first 3/4 race I quit half way. Beat myself up about it all the way home. I Ended up being spit out the back, my mind all fuzzy, and slowly drifted off.

Today I did my weekly century. I thought I did great. I look at my records and my average speed is much lower then my previous ones (same route/ wind condition) and my hr was higher. I feel it in training too... I just feel like crap.

WHY. I thought I was doing so great. I have no idea when it all started going south. I know I didnt give all that much detail but any help would be appreciated. Maybe you ja a similar case?

Thanks in advance
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Old 03-18-11, 09:00 PM
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You may want to get a set of blood tests run. Anemia, chronic fatigue syndrome (unlikely), or simply some deficiencies may be in play. Are you sleeping plenty and eating a good breakfast? (I sound like my grandma..)
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Old 03-18-11, 09:05 PM
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how many days a week do you ride? you do a weekly century? sounds like you're putting in a LOT of miles...and what you're describing could potentially happen from overtraining. you did say you reduced your time/mileage earlier in the year to avoid overtraining, but i wouldn't rule it out if you're training hard right now. make sure you take a day completely off every week or two, throw in some slow recovery rides between hard workouts, etc...

i'm not an expert. you should probably get some input from more knowledgeable people - others on BF, coach, trainer, something like that. people do plateau, but if you're training the same as before and are still slower rather than just staying the same, something else might be going on.
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Old 03-18-11, 09:38 PM
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Get a power meter so you can quantify fitness gain/loss

If you can't afford one than just try not to worry about it because there are too many variables at play. Start keeping a journal of eating/sleeping/drinking (alcohol) habits in addition to a training journal.

It takes a few weeks but you might be able to correlate training and racing performance to trends in the above mentioned things.

Remember that performance in competitive group situations (esp. races) is < or = to 70% of the whole animal. Form, finesse and focus make up for the rest. Try not to psych your self out and definietely never quit again. Sounds like you just lost focus and quit during your last race. Don't do that. Stay on a wheel and remember that if it hurts for you it hurts for them too.

Why are you riding a century a week? You don't need to do that do race well and it could even be detrimental to you. Are you tired after your 10 hours? If not, ride harder. Ask your self these questions and remember that strategy and the mind is a big part of cycling that can take you nearly as far as raw fitness.
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Old 03-18-11, 10:07 PM
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Sounds like you are using the WAG system of training - the "wild ass guessing" system. You don't have a glue how to train.

You need a structured and logical training program - ideally power based. This isn't intuitive. It takes some education to learn how to do this right. You either need to learn how to do this yourself or you need a coach to guide you. The best place to start is the Coggin powermeter training book. You will be shocked at how much you will learn from a book like this and it only cost about $15 (the powermeter will be more expensive but not that much if you are really motivated to improve).
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I'll summarize the OP's post for all of you:

"Last year I trained a ton and did good in my races. Recently, I've cut back on training and I seem to be slower. What could have possibly happened?"
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Originally Posted by rooftest View Post
I'll summarize the OP's post for all of you:

"Last year I trained a ton and did good in my races. Recently, I've cut back on training and I seem to be slower. What could have possibly happened?"
That's what I read too.

OP - it comes and it goes. It will come back. Train smarter.

Look at the racing forum for training tips.
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Just a part of getting old, kid. Joking aside, I do notice my athletic abilities decreasing as I get older each year (I'm only in my late 20's), forcing me to train smarter/eat better just to reach the same results as the year before. This is more apparent in other sports (basketball, badminton) but I notice it for cycling as well.
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Originally Posted by jrobe View Post
You don't have a glue how to train.
Yes. When training you really need to stick to it.
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Yes. When training you really need to stick to it.
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Originally Posted by rooftest View Post
I'll summarize the OP's post for all of you:

"Last year I trained a ton and did good in my races. Recently, I've cut back on training and I seem to be slower. What could have possibly happened?"
This ^^. The body is a marvel, what you don't need, you loose. Oh and BTW for OP, not a "HUGE" problem. Earthquakes, Reactor leaks, cancer ...different story.
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I'll just say that it really helps to keep a journal. I was in your shoes about 2 weeks ago when I was coming off of soaring fitness and went into a recovery week, then got sick for a very short period of time (bless you, Zicam), then felt weak for a while after that. I'm coming back into it now but looking at my journal really helped me see the pattern that led to soaring fitness. Namely, more time on bike, more time in Tempo, more time on base miles in general. I must've been very aerobically fit, even though I couldn't hold an anaerobic effort very long, which was fine because my power @ threshold and just under must've been really high. Knowing this stuff is really helping me get back to where I was, hence the journal.

And stop riding weekly centuries. They only wear you out. You're a cat 4 who sometimes races with the 3's, therefore your longest races is, what, 68 miles or so? Why are you riding 150% of your race distance? Spend more time at threshold pace instead.

And buy a book on all this.
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