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Gatorskins or Armadillos ???

Old 04-24-11, 09:00 PM
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Gatorskins or Armadillos ???

I use Continental ultra sports and after 400 miles, the back tire is almost square Which one of the two would you recommend and why ? Enlighten me with your brilliance
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First, your back tire is okay until the threads show. It's a normal wear pattern.

I've had bad luck with my Gatorskins, due not to the tires but rather to my not seeing some seriously sharp crud where I was riding. I've ruined two of them, both on the rear, both due to sidewall cuts, and they both had lots of wear left; one had about 2,000 miles, the other about 1,000 miles. I've got a third one on the rear with about 1,000 miles, and no problems. I've got about 4,000 miles on the front one with no problems. I expect to get at least another 2,000 miles from the set...unless I miss seeing something else and ruin another tire.

I don't have any experience with the Armadillos.
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Armadillos are a pain to install because they're so stiff. I've never ridden with them myself, but from what I've heard from others, they feel sluggish on the road. I have Gatorskins on a commuter bike. They weren't too hard to put on, and so far I haven't gotten a flat (but I probably only have a few hundred miles on them).
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400miles?
and you want to replace ultra sports with gators or dillos?
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When I absolutely don't want flats, Armadillos (at least the Elite version I have used) work. I haven't found them sluggish, or difficult to mount.
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I have the folding Gators on my commute/club ride bike. They are really easy to take off and put on.
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Old 04-25-11, 02:58 AM
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I used 23mm wire-bead gatorskins for 2 years (8000 miles) - not the same set but I never knew how long each set lasts because invariably I get too annoyed when removing a tire that I damage something on it. I didn't get many flats during the dirty-road commutes but I dreaded when I did get flats coz I found them a pita to remove/install.

This year I moved to 25mm folding gatorskins and they are almost as easy to remove/install as my my old Krylions (which means, pretty easy). I love these tires. Grip isn't as confidence-inspiring as myold krylions (and neither is the ride quality, but the ride quality is still far better than the wire-bead version..... IDK if that's due to them being wire-bead, or wider, or both).

When these tires wear out, I'll get another set of the same.

Ps: I'm with AEO... 400 miles and gone square?
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Yeah 4 to 500 miles more or less. I don't skid or anything. An forgot to mention that they get many cuts and rip. I do not over inflate them.
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I found Gatorskins hard to mount and they rode like rocks. I am much happier with 4000-S even though they might not have the same flat protection.

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Originally Posted by Titmawz View Post
Yeah 4 to 500 miles more or less. I don't skid or anything. An forgot to mention that they get many cuts and rip. I do not over inflate them.
How deep are the cuts? All tires get cuts, that's the nature of riding soft material (rubber tires) on top of hard, rocky surfaces (asphalt roads)..... but as long as a cut doesn't go through the inner casing, then they're still fine to ride. Even with a cut that does go through, you can boot it and get a lot more life out of the tire.
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How deep are the cuts? All tires get cuts, that's the nature of riding soft material (rubber tires) on top of hard, rocky surfaces (asphalt roads)..... but as long as a cut doesn't go through the inner casing, then they're still fine to ride. Even with a cut that does go through, you can boot it and get a lot more life out of the tire.
The cuts makes the tire/tube much easier for glass to cut through I change my tires when they get cut up.
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A bunch of riding buddies and I were getting flats left and right from thorns. Often three or four of us would go for a 30 mile ride and wind up with 4 or more flats. We tried sealant but that didn't work that well and made patching tubes (necessitated by multiple flats per ride) problematic. Out of desperation we all switched to Armadillos around the same time and they really did the trick. They are a bit stiff and harder to get on and off the rim, but that was a more than acceptable tradeoff for having to take them on and off multiple times during a ride to fix flats. Don't know about gators etc...
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neither. both suck. get some GP4000s
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Armadillos<Rubino Pro<Gator Skins<GP4000s

This is based on a compromise of flat protection vs ride quality. The GP4000s doesn't have as much flat protection but rides much nice than Gatorskins.
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I used armadillos exclusively since they came out (early to mid 1990's I guess) not because I needed a sturdy / hardy tire, but because I thought the idea of having kevlar in a tire was cool and I fell for the marketing. Nothing more.

Daily commutes of 16 miles or so with 30 to 60 on the weekends for 4 years. No flats. Ever.

I never noticed a problem with mounting and un-mounting but they were basically my fist tire so I had nothing to compare them too.

The only reason I don't have a pair right now is I couldn't find any locally in the size I wanted. . . and I ran out of money. But soon. Soon.
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Originally Posted by wangster View Post
Armadillos<Rubino Pro<Gator Skins<GP4000s

This is based on a compromise of flat protection vs ride quality. The GP4000s doesn't have as much flat protection but rides much nice than Gatorskins.
I agree the GP4000's ride is much better and I am not really sure how much flat protection you are giving up?

In NYC you have a lot of broken glass and I have gotten flats with even Gatorskins. I find that avoiding glass and stopping and wiping the tires is the best way to avoid flats. The last flat I got with Gatorskins was after running through a bad glass section, I should of stopped and checked tires but was in a rush.
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When I'm looking for an armor-plated not going to flat, hard as hell tire, I run Serfas Seca Survivors. They are the same type of tire as an Armadillo or GatorSkin, but a bit less expensive. You'll only flat if you're riding through a mine field (and then it'll be 50/50).

https://www.serfas.com/product_details.asp?ID=633
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A Krylion or GP4000 is a completely different type of tire. In that scenario, I ride the Serfas Seca RS.
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A 'gator will eat an armadillo for breakfast.
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armadillos seem heavy to me. ive got gatorskins on two bikes and like them very much. flat protection is excellent (3 in 3 years) and those were from tacks or thorns. not much you can do to protect against those. they roll pretty fast and seem pretty grippy. rotate them after a few hundred miles or when the back is starting to get square. the rubber is pretty soft so the do wear faster then other brands.
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Originally Posted by Titmawz View Post
I use Continental ultra sports and after 400 miles, the back tire is almost square Which one of the two would you recommend and why ? Enlighten me with your brilliance
Gatorskins. They roll better and are still both puncture resistant enough and long wearing.

GP4000 4 seasons might roll a little better but wear a lot faster.
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